KVR Audio

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:29 am

Riansky wrote:
kevvvvv wrote:Riansky

What's Retrospective Midi?

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Its basicly recording a MIDI without recording. Sometimes you jam out some ideas and forgot to record or whatever with retrospective MIDI you can recall whatever you played.

this is a good feature in FL.
you can doodle about and then hit 'dump to score'..
it's actually very useful for someone like me who isn't to hot at playing keyboards..

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:51 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Also, when you open it and even after loading a preset, it's actually turned off by default. I get tripped up by that all the time. You'd think loading a preset should turn it on. At least if the preset was saved in an on state.

For the record, that's the Input Transformer. The (Project) Logical Editor can't be turned off, since it doesn't work in real time like the Transformer and Input Transformer.

LawrenceF wrote:What they couldn't foresee and guessed wrong at is how many users just don't want to put in the effort, and just don't use it.

Obviously the Logical Editors and Input Transformers aren't designed for situations where the effort to program it is more than the effort to achieve the result manually. People who need it, know its power and use it in their advantage.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:18 pm

True. But on the shorter end of that scale is combining it with macros for other things, and my experience with Cubase users and the forum is many just don't bother, so they make feature requests for things already possible from there.

Or they wait for Vic France to hand them an LE script on the forum.

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:40 pm

LawrenceF wrote:True. But on the shorter end of that scale is combining it with macros for other things, and my experience with Cubase users and the forum is many just don't bother, so they make feature requests for things already possible from there.

Or they wait for Vic France to hand them an LE script on the forum.

I rather see seasoned or power users effectively help (less seasoned) users by guiding them to already available features. Instead of seasoned users needing to tell (less seasoned) users something is not possible and they should make a feature request.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:48 pm

Fair enough. My comments about what happened there are somewhat dated, from some years ago, not anything recent, so I'll certainly take your word for that with you being a current and ongoing participant there.

Thanks.

bobhva · Post by **bobhva** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:15 pm

I think something that is not being considered is the fact that Studio One is on version 3 while the other DAW's that it is being compared to are on version 9-12. I recently moved to Studio One from Sonar which has been around for 30 years and I even used Cubase when it was on the AtariST - I think S1 is great now and will get even better with time. I guess we just live in an instant gratification world.

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:20 pm

bobhva wrote:I think something that is not being considered is the fact that Studio One is on version 3 while the other DAW's that it is being compared to are on version 9-12.

Technically Studio One is at version 5 when counting its predecessor.

trancema · Post by **trancema** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:32 pm

daw.one wrote:
bobhva wrote:I think something that is not being considered is the fact that Studio One is on version 3 while the other DAW's that it is being compared to are on version 9-12.
Technically Studio One is at version 5 when counting its predecessor.

Well, if you count like that, Cubase is probably on version 20+ since Atari days

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:07 pm

daw.one wrote:Technically Studio One is at version 5 when counting its predecessor.

Kinda. More like version 4 since S1 v1 would have been Kristal v2 (K2) I suppose if it hadn't turned into Studio One. Looking at them comparatively, they're really nothing alike though, so I consider them entirely different products.

There was nothing about Kristal that interested me. It was (imo) a pretty bad Cubase VST clone.

CTStump · Post by **CTStump** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:07 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
daw.one wrote:Technically Studio One is at version 5 when counting its predecessor.
Kinda. More like version 4 since S1 v1 would have been Kristal v2 (K2) I suppose if it hadn't turned into Studio One. Looking at them comparatively, they're really nothing alike though, so I consider them entirely different products.

There was nothing about Kristal that interested me. It was (imo) a pretty bad Cubase VST clone.

Even worse than that it was audio only and limited to 16 tracks.

Version 1 of Studio One was light years ahead and 1000 times better as a new DAW. The good thing about slow versioning is all those updates in between(at no cost), you don't have to fork out money every year and those updates would be full upgrades anywhere else except FL.

Oops...I shouldn't have wrote that, Presonus may be watching.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:24 pm

I do think some companies have probably just recognized what we all surely know, as relates to release speed or similar things, that unless they need much more income for the "now", the present, really need to generate new income right now, it doesn't really matter. Why?

Because all of us will still be here and still be wanting the shiny whenever it does show up, this year or next year.

Any idea that they'll lose out because a person has purchased something else in the interim is clearly defied by what we can clearly see, people "switching" like crazy regularly and owning eight daws, and buying and selling the same ones over and over.

So... yeah... unless you need to generate new income like ... right now... or unless that's your only source of income or new income, new sales of that one thing, it probably doesn't matter very much. The daw addicts aren't going anywhere and new ones are being created daily.

With hardware companies who also make daws, I'd tend to doubt if the larger part of their profits comes from selling daws, so many of them are probably in no real hurry... like with DP and MOTU.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:39 pm

I think one really can't compare Presonus with Steinberg. There will be many more developers working on Cubase than on Studio One, hence the development speed will be a entirely different one. A matter of budget. But, for me, that's fine. The way it is (and i am), when i go on using Cubase Artist, i will end up buying every version, a new point release the next year, and then, in 2 years, a new version. And Steinberg obviously keep the ball running, because they know people have that buying behavior, and new features are a great argument to upgrade. I don't blame them for that, at all. It's good business sense. I don't want that anymore, so i use something which is developing slower, because i have the choice.

I won't even say "Please, don't demand from Presonus that they spend more ressources on Studio One", because i know that, unless 100% more people buy Studio One, they won't be willing or able to do so anyway. So, if development speed is an issue for you, by all means, spend your money on a DAW which is evolving quicker. I'm more than happy that S1 evolves as fast as it does.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:44 pm

They appear to be doing that, expanding the team, as their website has applications up looking for 3 new C++ developers.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:46 pm

Nooo!

Well, fair enough.

I want some GUI fine tuning for the next version, hehe.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:31 pm

Oh, I wasn't implying (or didn't intend to suggest) that any of them will be working on Studio One, I obviously would have no clue about that.

Here's the listing...

http://www.presonussoftware.com/en_US/i ... mpany-jobs

Who knows. Maybe that will help to more free up people who are working on Studio One. No idea.

Studio One 3.5.5 Update Released - 30 Jan 2018