Ableton Live 10 Released

[jclosed]

£159 for upgrading from live 9....ok but is it worth it?...what are the highlights

Not much I am afraid. Most of the new content is for Suite users only, the rest gets some UI/workflow improvements and that's basically it. I am definitely not spending 179 Euros to upgrade my standard license. I will wait for a sale I guess..

Yeah - The upgrade for the standard Live version is definitely hugely underwhelming for the amount of money you have to pay for it. It looks like Ableton has only looked how they can please their prime costumers, and try to milk their "standard" users for it.

I am certainly not going to pay €179 for just a few UI/workflow updates. I think I will manage just fine with my standard Live 9.x for the foreseeable future. Maybe I will upgrade for half the price, but even then it feels very, very, very underwhelming.

At the other hand - Bitwig looks nicer and nicer now. I do not like the mandatory (if you want updates) yearly "contribution", but even that looks better than this standard Live version update.

[Kinh]

£159 for upgrading from live 9....ok but is it worth it?...what are the highlights

Yes definitely worth it. Big highlight is waveshaper. I would gladly pay $180 for this on it's own. It seriously kicks ass. Very modern sounding, can do a range of sounds very quickly, by far the fastest programming synth I own.
Also the packs come with a lot of shit. 159 pounds is probably the update price for standard. If I were you Id wait for the next sale and upgrade to suite, I'm not sure what you get in standard

[Kinh]

£159 for upgrading from live 9....ok but is it worth it?...what are the highlights

Not much I am afraid. Most of the new content is for Suite users only, the rest gets some UI/workflow improvements and that's basically it. I am definitely not spending 179 Euros to upgrade my standard license. I will wait for a sale I guess..

Yeah - The upgrade for the standard Live version is definitely hugely underwhelming for the amount of money you have to pay for it. It looks like Ableton has only looked how they can please their prime costumers, and try to milk their "standard" users for it.

I am certainly not going to pay €179 for just a few UI/workflow updates. I think I will manage just fine with my standard Live 9.x for the foreseeable future. Maybe I will upgrade for half the price, but even then it feels very, very, very underwhelming.

At the other hand - Bitwig looks nicer and nicer now. I do not like the mandatory (if you want updates) yearly "contribution", but even that looks better than this standard Live version update.

Bitwig is a good daw but it really depends what you wanna get out of it. Suit is like 350 more but the content is mammoth in comparison. If you're creating beats then Ableton should be 1st choice because it gives you a much bigger pallet to dip your brush into. Having that range to me is the difference between good and great.

[tooneba]

£159 for upgrading from live 9....ok but is it worth it?...what are the highlights

New font

[tooneba]

skimmed through thread and found noteworthy news is new skin and font. That's some nice updates my friend.

Reckon Fruity might be a better option?

The truth hurts bro
Chin up.

[mutantdog]

I was on 9 standard and the price to upgrade to Suite 9 (with a free version of 10) was so little more than just getting 10 standard it was obviously the better option. The amount of extra sounds, M4L stuff and Wavetable justify the price. Let's not forget how much we got for free with 9.5 too, if they do the same with 10.5 in a couple of years that will certainly do more to add value.

Having said that, I haven't actually installed it yet though.

[THE INTRANCER]

What strikes me is that Presonus puts more into a free .5 upgrade after 2 years, than what Ableton's puts into their product in 4 years.. How fair a comparative assessment is that in the scheme of things ?

Thread - Studio One 3.5 Released

[Neon Breath]

Thanks guys for your inputs and opinions, especially about the upgrade for the Standard users. (which I am)

I was on the fence, hesitating to upgrade or not (still staying in Standard, I don't need all the stuff in Suite) but now I think I'll wait for a sale or a better upgrade deal, very steep upgrade price for new fonts and couple of cosmetics tweaks.

[c_voltage]

I see in "What new" of v10 this about max for live:
- Deeper integration with Live 10 Suite means devices now load faster, use less CPU and feel more like Live's native devices.

I did cpu test with m4l Granulator II while use v10 beta, and found that cpu usage exactly the same (not more and not less) strange. Maybe its just for me, dont know (or maybe some additional fixes in latest official release, not tried yet).

Indeed, 'feel more' is a rather subjective and blurry term to use that doesn't really mean anything.

Heh, but "feel more" related here to "more like native devices" - that corresponds to reality, as well as for speed loading of m4l devices (since Max load together with host now). But "use less CPU" does not fit in any sense.

[kmonkey]

But "use less CPU" does not fit in any sense.

Maybe in your mind. I tried it, not only Live 10 load projects faster it definitely consume few percent less of CPU and that is most probably because of integration of m4l. I guess now m4l does not have to "communicate" with application "outside" of Ableton Live like it used to.

[pottering]

What strikes me is that Presonus puts more into a free .5 upgrade after 2 years, than what Ableton's puts into their product in 4 years.. How fair a comparative assessment is that in the scheme of things ?

Thread - Studio One 3.5 Released

https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-10/

Ableton posted a video in 2015 explaining they had to spend an entire year only refactoring their programming workflow (some "Scrum" thingie), but it was a (time) investment for the future.



Also shows how they spend a long time just experimenting, and how not all experiments become products.

Presonus is about the same size as Ableton.

Also you are (willfully?) ignoring all the 9.x updates.

[c_voltage]

But "use less CPU" does not fit in any sense.

Maybe in your mind. I tried it, not only Live 10 load projects faster it definitely consume few percent less of CPU and that is most probably because of integration of m4l. I guess now m4l does not have to "communicate" with application "outside" of Ableton Live like it used to.

Rather "in my PC" then.
Sorry, you did comparison test between v9\v10 with certain m4l device ? (Granulator II with increased voice amount and enabled "hold" button well suite for this). I did.
Again, I'm not talking about loading speed or about consuming of cpu from whole projects, which contain a bunch of anything.

[musikmachine]

I was set to upgrade after testing the beta but £229 is pretty steep for an upgrade! I thought mistakenly I could do an edu upgrade but i should have checked really but damn i like the gui and the workflow ehancements.

But £229? Tbf there's quite a lot more added that doesn't seem to get covered in the videos I've seen but for that, I'd expect quite a significant upgrade and I've already got the bases covered with plugins like Serum and soundtoys...

It's the sort of price point where my brains going well what about Bitwig? Don't get me wrong i think it's good but it's not knock your socks of good or am i not appreciating what's there?

Btw a few people on the ableton forums are saying 10 is killing their CPUs in comparison to 9...

[THE INTRANCER]

Also you are (willfully?) ignoring all the 9.x updates.

Yep, because Studio One has had many .01 maintenance updates and important features added between 3 and 3.5, stuff like Global FX Bypass ect..

The last paid and major update was between 2.6 (Aug 2013) and 3 (May 2015) which was around £110 (for me anyway). And the number of changes were off the scale between those.

With a major daw release in 2018, I'd expect the flat lifeless gui of Ableton to have been a thing of the past or at least make it so with an option for those who don't like it the way it is. It doesn't take much skill for anyone to design better interface knobs in knobman creator.

[zenophilix]

Don't forget, Live 9 went up to 9.7.5... Who knows what else is to come. It's a little bit of a sketchy bet, but part of what you're paying for is going to be those incremental updates.

My general opinion is that going from 9 Standard to 10 Standard is most likely not going to be worth it, unless the new workflow improvements are really going to help you. Going to 10 Suite from anything else, in my experience, is insane. Especially if you're coming from version 7 with the 20% off sale.

With a major daw release in 2018, I'd expect the flat lifeless gui of Ableton to have been a thing of the past or at least make it so and an option for those who don't like it the way it is. It doesn't take much skill for anyone to design better interface knobs in knobman creator.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The simplicity of the GUI makes it a lot easier for me to get ideas down without being distracted by pretty animations and fancy shading. 60fps and the new font is good enough for me. Some people might prefer a different style of GUI, but I'm pretty happy the way things sit now.