Ableton Live 10 Released

[tooneba]

CPU problems are reported by people in official forums.

also noticed the Multicore toggle is no longer a thing in Live 10, could that be the problem?

I don't know much about the cause. I'm just following their development. Some say fine and others say unusable.

[DJ Warmonger]

CPU problems are reported by people in official forums.

also noticed the Multicore toggle is no longer a thing in Live 10, could that be the problem?

I don't know much about the cause. I'm just following their development. Some say fine and others say unusable.

In Live 10 multicore is always enabled.

Didn't have any performance problems so far. Maybe some things work a bit slower and others a bit faster, but in general the difference is insignificant.

[jclosed]

Any change in Max 8?

I think it's built into Live now. It doesn't require the separate Max program anymore. There wasn't a dedicated new pack entirely for Max as far as I could tell. Incidentally, there's a convolution reverb pack that was a surprise to me.

But only for Live Suite users. As far as I know it's not included in Live Standard (like all other nice new shiny stuff). Live Standard users get.... uhh.. some UI/workfow improvements for their 180 euro's, and that's about it. All new shiny stuff Ableton is advertising with, is "only Suite".

At first I was exited to see all that nice stuff, until I realized that that about nothing of that stuff was for regular "Standard" users (like I am). It leaves a bit of a sour taste, and gives absolutely no real urge to do an upgrade any time soon.

But if you are a premium Suite user, then it's nice I guess...

[aMUSEd]

Well it's OK as a Suite user but it's not a great update, I like Wavetable but do I need another wavetable synth? Echo is fantastic but I have lots of other plugins like it. The Max integration doesn't make much difference (tbh it's a bit of a con, you just have to sit through 'Max is starting up' when you open Live now instead of when you load your first Max plugin). Couldn't care less about new sample content. The rest of the suite plugins apart from Operator are frankly outdated and I have better AAS versions of them all. The only really great thing is Capture which I wish all DAWS did (or did properly in the case of Logic). Very on the fence about this upgrade.

[machinesworking]

Group tracks and VCAs seem like they'd work pretty much the same.. Groups within groups doesn't hurt either.

Not at all, group tracks are essentially busses, all the audio from the sub tracks is routed through a single track, the sends are still separate in this scenario, so the sends actually act differently on the audio when you raise and lower the group master track or bus. the overall volume is being lowered but your sends are not being lowered since each track is still firing away at whatever DB it's set to.
VCA faders lower the volume of all the tracks without messing up the mix to sends etc. If you've ever lowered the volume of multiple tracks by temporarily grouping them by selecting them in Live you will notice that it messes with the mix you had as well when you do this. This is another scenario where VCA faders helps. They don't actually run audio through them, you assign tracks to them and they act like a master volume without damaging your mix. Basically for me and probably many of you, it gets rid of the problem of the mix getting too hot about the time you get it right!
This and MPE are modern things a modern DAW like Live should have.

Huh. Pretty much sounds like a description of how groups work to me, then again I've only been able to use them for a couple weeks.

Absolutely no offense meant, but you should look into it, it might be hard for you to grasp and you wouldn't be alone in that. Basically groups will change the mix between tracks in the group, VCA faders do not.

[V0RT3X]

Well it's OK as a Suite user but it's not a great update, I like Wavetable but do I need another wavetable synth? Echo is fantastic but I have lots of other plugins like it. The Max integration doesn't make much difference (tbh it's a bit of a con, you just have to sit through 'Max is starting up' when you open Live now instead of when you load your first Max plugin). Couldn't care less about new sample content. The rest of the suite plugins apart from Operator are frankly outdated and I have better AAS versions of them all. The only really great thing is Capture which I wish all DAWS did (or did properly in the case of Logic). Very on the fence about this upgrade.

I hear you, I’m mostly covered with the stuff I want already.

Here a few things I’ve considered just for my own scenario in regards to upgrading to Suite 10.

For myself I own WT Synthesizers like Serum, Massive and PPG wave 2-3.v, which i find is already covering most of my WT synth sound needs.

If i buy another WT it will be Zebra and then I’ll own all the U-he synthesizers to date.

I like the idea of Ableton Wavetable being integrated into Live. I also like the cytomic modelled filters and lower CPU usage but If i need modelled synth tones I’m already well covered with my U-he, NI, Fxpansion stuff and i also own a licence for The drop. I’m just not finding that it will add much to what I can already accomplish with 3rd party plugins. Also It lacks features that Serum covers really well such as user drawable modulation which I’ve grown to like.

Operator is nice but I also have Bazille, Fm8, and I never really clicked with it.

As for the AAS stuff, well I’ve tried for a long time to incorporate PM into my own stuff and be happy with the results but If I need something physically modelled I think I’d rather record it rather than simulate it.

Ableton Sampler? I am already well covered with Kontakt, Battery, Geist 2, BFD and TAL-Sampler.

Ableton Pack content? Again komplete and fxpansion cover most of my sampling needs and I don’t really like using content packs that much as i get more enjoyment out of designing my own sounds.

Amp, Cabinet, pedal? I have Guitar Rig, Trash2, Ohmicide and I’ll be buying the scream, Maul, dent2, in the future.

Echo and drum bus? I like the look of Echo but I plan on picking up Bloom, Late Replies, Sandman Pro, ReplikaXT in the future. As for Drum Bus well I feel well covered by Alloy2, supercharger, NI transient designer, Satin, Presswerk, the glue, the drop Etc.

If there is really anything out of the Suite i want it would be Max for live which I can get separately now at version 9 or later after i buy Live standard 10 Upg.

So yah I pretty just talked myself out of it. However If i wasnt in deep with a bunch of 3rd party plugins I could see Suite being great value and would get it.

[.jon]

Group tracks and VCAs seem like they'd work pretty much the same.. Groups within groups doesn't hurt either.

Not at all, group tracks are essentially busses, all the audio from the sub tracks is routed through a single track, the sends are still separate in this scenario, so the sends actually act differently on the audio when you raise and lower the group master track or bus. the overall volume is being lowered but your sends are not being lowered since each track is still firing away at whatever DB it's set to.

That is actually not how group tracks work in Live, lowering the group fader also lowers the send levels of child tracks. Bussing the through another tracks works as you describe.

Hope this helps.

[DrGonzo]

Installed 10 yesterday and I'm impressed.

Was expecting crashes and shenanigans,but it seems to be a solid release and I really dig the new UI and speed. Looks like lots of improvements went under the hood. Maybe v10 is the Snow Leopard of Live?

/C

[.jon]

Yeah, I'm also really happy with the update. It seems that I can even cope with the shrunken font after playing with 10 some more, it's not like I'm reading the DAW so much as I'm using it after all. The small workflow improvements are all very welcome, I especially like the collections and arrangement view tweaks.

[munk808]

is anyone noticing significant increase in the CPU usage? I'm barely running any tracks (4) with stock audio effects and the CPU is spiking like crazy with audio cracklings and unresponsiveness.

Had none of these problems in Live 9 with the same amount of tracks and processing.

I'm using a i7 7700hq laptop with 16gb RAM so it is supposed to handle Ableton fine. Live 10 doesn't seem optimized to me, just close it and went back to 9 because I can't even compose without freezing all of my tracks.

Oddly enough, I was having really bad problems with crackling when loading up stock Wavetable patches. Then I switched back to the FL ASIO leftover from when I demoed FL. So evidently, in my case at least, PreSonus' ASIO drivers are to blame.

CPU problems are reported by people in official forums.

also noticed the Multicore toggle is no longer a thing in Live 10, could that be the problem?

I don't know much about the cause. I'm just following their development. Some say fine and others say unusable.

I guess I fixed it, I'm running Ableton Live in compatibility mode with Windows 8 and the CPU usage is fine now. Weird scenario though.

[telecharge]

The only really great thing is Capture which I wish all DAWS did (or did properly in the case of Logic).

Does anyone know if there are DAWs other than Logic and Pro Tools which offer this type of feature? I'm thinking there is at least one other.

[fwsuperhero]

The only really great thing is Capture which I wish all DAWS did (or did properly in the case of Logic).

Does anyone know if there are DAWs other than Logic and Pro Tools which offer this type of feature? I'm thinking there is at least one other.

Tracktion / Waveform

[terminus_one]

The only really great thing is Capture which I wish all DAWS did (or did properly in the case of Logic).

Does anyone know if there are DAWs other than Logic and Pro Tools which offer this type of feature? I'm thinking there is at least one other.

Tracktion Waveform. Called "retrospective record".

This is the best video I could find: https://www.facebook.com/tracktionsoftw ... 954721074/

[pottering]

"Ableton shreds" video:
https://twitter.com/killthenoise/status ... 0234966016

The reactions in Ableton's office:
https://twitter.com/nburdy/status/961973235897204736

[c_voltage]

"Ableton shreds" video:
https://twitter.com/killthenoise/status ... 0234966016

"The media could not be played" for some reason, tried in latest IE and old Opera, the same.
Edit oh already found in other place