Can we please have some update info?

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

I think Mackie is just waiting for all the N-track hype to die down. They just had a new release so its better to wait for the buzz to simmer down before releasing T2.

Thanks a lot, I nearly spit out my tea on my computer keyboard laughing!

[AD80]

[Robert T]

I think Mackie is just waiting for all the N-track hype to die down. They just had a new release so its better to wait for the buzz to simmer down before releasing T2.

Thanks a lot, I nearly spit out my tea on my computer keyboard laughing!

I agree, that was good

[pough]

Good intentions my dear friends.

...so are you saying that you're paving a road to hell?

[rpc9943]

Are they going to make "Groundhog Day" Edit mode?

Well are they?

RonC

[simpletim]

yes. and I hear you be able to make Bill Murray say all sorts of cool phrases like "Is it ready yet?" or "Is it ready yet?" or the old favorite, "Is it ready yet?"

Sorry if this sounds like your getting flamed man, but, well you are. If you look back across the posts, this is all anyone talks about. It's like every fifth post. I really want my birthday to come but it's still not going to happen until it happens.

[koolkeys]

Hey, if I'm getting flamed, so be it. I won't lose any sleep. However, anyone who even tries to say that I have griped, or whatever, is wrong. I haven't done it, you won't find a quote from me.

So I have a concern about the silence. Big deal. If someone here doesn't want to read my POLITE post asking for a small sign, then don't. And don't respond if you don't want to fuel the fire that is nagging you.

Yeah, there have been umpteen hundred posts asking for info on T2. Well, here's one more. And guess what, there will be more(not by me, however).

I don't have to justify myself on this, as I've already stated my reasoning, and my contentment with T1. I respect Jules very much, and appreciate what he's done with Tracktion, and with JUCE. And Jules, if you are reading this, I apolagize for annoying you if I have.

So I'm going to bed now. I won't think about Tracktion until I get home tomorrow afternoon at least. And if someone here has a problem with me, oh well. I never put you down(no matter who you are), and I've always been respectful to you(no matter who you are). So flame me, but it won't matter. I'm out.

Koolkeys

P.S.- It's been a frustrating day for me, and I've been pissed off, so thanks for letting me rant back at you. Cheers.

[AD80]

Well I'm definitely not flamming anybody. If somebody feels like they need more info its fine with me. We all want more info. Will we get more info? Nope. But hay feel free to ask.

[Ixox]

I really want my birthday to come but it's still not going to happen until it happens.

I think you know when your birthday comes... so this is the opposite case.

Koolkeys, the number of replies in this thread shows very well that the lack of information is a real problem....
People who don't care about future releases and don't want information update must be people who don't use Tracktion...

Koolkeys, you were more than soft (and clever) in your posts... Don't understand people flaming you. This is another proof of the sensitivity of the subjet.

[Lunch Money]

I agree. I'm dying to find out more. People who say they're not interested in knowing T2's feature set are kidding themselves.

However, the majority of us have accepted that it's not going to happen until T2 is upon us.

Greg

[optilude]

I tried so hard not to get sucked into this... oh well. At page 9, who's going to read it?

Ok... so consider this possibilty:

I work for a software company, and we do projects usually by having a fixed price for delivery (say £10,000 for the first release). The client then usually comes back and wants more features tacked on - this we do on time and materials. Workingon fixed price gives us a secure income and is easier to plan, but quite stressful for developers, because there is a fixed deadline, a fixed spec and a lot at stake. Working on T&M is good when there are only small feature request trickling in, and it gives us more freedom in what we implement, when. Most developers, I reckon, prefers to work to T&M, so long as they're sure they'll get paid.

So, apply this thinking to Tracktion. We had T1, which probably took a long time to develop with zero customers until Jules had a good-enough version to start charging for it. This had a sortof minimum expected spec. Then, Jules would linger around these forums and hear suggestions and think, "yeah, I could do that in an hour or so, why not?". This caused him to add new features and release a new version every week or two to please his clients/customers (us!) and build Tracktion's credibility and feature set so as to attrack new customers.

But Jules knows, and Mackie knows, that there're only so many "new customers" in the market. At some point, you have to try to sell new features - T2 - to the same group of customers - i.e. upgrade licensing. When you're a lone developer and not working to a spec handed down from senior management, it's quite easy to just add featuers here and there until one day, you reach T2's feature set organically, and you've given it away for free. However, that doesn't make much sense financially. So Jules and Mackie rightly figured out that the only way to actually get T2 out the door, would be to stop the feature trickle practice and go for the big-bang approach to T2. However, this approach raises a whole different set of expectations to the "I asked for this feature two weeks ago, I don't care if it comes this week or next". It also involves a much longer, more concerted development effort. That means that feature lists *will* change, release dates will slip, resource estimates will be off. It's bad enough when you have a team of programmers and some slack capacity, but if Jules is out of action for a week with a nasty cold or a trip to the Bahamas, so is T2 development. That's why they don't talk about it. And either you talk about it, or you don't, so they can't drop hints and start the rumour mill. The policy is no talking, so Jules stays shut. I imagine he reads this forum from time to time, maybe to get ideas for features, maybe for a good laugh. But unless he's commenting on a specific T1 bug or JUCE or something like that, he stays shut.

The upside? We can hope that when T2 does come out, Jules will go back to the feature trickle model again. Perhaps not quite as much as before, as undoubtedly they're trying to get the base product more complete this time than he did for T1. Jules has also said he's got other software products he'd like to work on, so he may split his time there, but since T gives him a good income stream, I doubt very much he'll ever abandon it.

So, the way I see it - all of this is just the reality of software engineering and product marketing. Deal with it. Those who whinge and say "we paid him for T1, he owes us a lot of information" really don't know what they're talking about. I feel privileged to have a great sequencer in T1. I'm sure T2 will be even better. I'm not expecting it to be out until at least Christmas, but that's a wild guestimate, and I won't complain if it's earlier or later than that.

Martin

[simondsouza]

I just want to say - I have enjoyed this thread immensely

So thanks Koolkeys, for initiating it.

Oh yes, I heard thru the grapevine that T2 will come with a free sample set of wild animal sounds to put in the W.A.S. (that's the Wildlife Audio Sampler for all you newbies).

Simon

[simpletim]

koolkeys I would be lying if I said I didn't want to know too. I do know when my birthday is so that is a little unfair. I apologize. I was having some fun at your expense as I think a lot of us are. I respect that you have had enough and I won't post on this thread again. thanks for being a good sport about getting hammered in a 9 page thread. I hope that things go very well for you.

[koolkeys]

It's ok. I don't take offence directly from what you said. And I hold nothing against anyone here. Also, I was a little cranky last night, so I had to vent.

But since I started this thread, I felt obligated to answer, unlike some people who get scared off and don't come back. But it's no bother.

Now I'll just patiently wait for whatever the future may bring! (I wonder if my wife-to-be would give me the money for T2 when it arrives?) Cheers!

Koolkeys

[AD80]

(I wonder if my wife-to-be would give me the money for T2 when it arrives?) Cheers!

Koolkeys

I'll trade in my girl as payment for T2.