PSA: Full Reason 10... for just $172 USD or less?

[EnochLight]

Is this $99 "deal" a sign of business problems for the props?

I think it's great that lots of people can use Reason now, but I've not seen these kind of discounts from a DAW dev before.

It just seems really desperate IMO.

This is something I've heard said about Propellerhead... for the past 10 years. Whenever they have a sale or massive discount on something, everyone thinks it's dire times and they're desperate for sales. The thing is, nothing seems to correlate that. Nothing.

Major versions are always the same upgrade price, and the MSRP is always the same. They'll throw in periodic sales for them, because business 101. Everyone does it at some point. But if times were as dire as everyone seems to think, they would have permanently reduced all prices a long time ago, and it's unlikely they would have scored a venture capital investment (they instead would have been sold outright to another company instead, such as Cakewalk being purchased by BandLab).

The upgrade deal that started this thread is literally for a small, select group of people. Them getting those people onto the full version of Reason only hooks potential future customers into a potential upgrade path as Reason continues to be updated. Frankly, it's smart.

[Winstontaneous]

The upgrade deal that started this thread is literally for a small, select group of people. Them getting those people onto the full version of Reason only hooks potential future customers into a potential upgrade path as Reason continues to be updated. Frankly, it's smart.

As a Reason user since 2007, I find it really annoying that Propellerheads entice newbies with all this extra free stuff but don't give it to people like me who have paid $$$ for version upgrades over the years. Burning goodwill of longtime/power users seems backwards to me!

[BMoore]

The upgrade deal that started this thread is literally for a small, select group of people. Them getting those people onto the full version of Reason only hooks potential future customers into a potential upgrade path as Reason continues to be updated. Frankly, it's smart.

As a Reason user since 2007, I find it really annoying that Propellerheads entice newbies with all this extra free stuff but don't give it to people like me who have paid $$$ for version upgrades over the years. Burning goodwill of longtime/power users seems backwards to me!

Nothing to stop you from becoming a new user.

[murnau]

As a Reason user since 2007

Nothing to stop you from becoming a new user.

True..

[deastman]

The upgrade deal that started this thread is literally for a small, select group of people. Them getting those people onto the full version of Reason only hooks potential future customers into a potential upgrade path as Reason continues to be updated. Frankly, it's smart.

As a Reason user since 2007, I find it really annoying that Propellerheads entice newbies with all this extra free stuff but don't give it to people like me who have paid $$$ for version upgrades over the years. Burning goodwill of longtime/power users seems backwards to me!

I feel your pain. I’ve gotten the short end of the stick on many similar promotions from other companies. I suppose the conventional wisdom is that you’ve had the benefit of years of enjoyment from their software, while marketing has determined that additional incentives are needed to lure in additional users. That benefits you indirectly, because the more paying users, the more stable the company and the more they can invest in future development.

And for the record, I’m jumping on this Essentials + upgrade to full version opportunity. As far as I know, that will not include all of the extras from the current promotion that I would get if I just paid full price for a new copy. That’s a bummer, but I’m just happy to be getting it at a great price.

[mgw38]

Not sure if I agree. I consider myself a power user of a couple of music software titles (in particular Ableton and stuff from iZotope) but I never felt let down by any of the promotions they do. If I use something very frequently, I am ok with the investment I made (believe it or not, I actually bought the iZotope Post Production Suite at full price). I am more annoyed when companies tempt me with "once in a lifetime promotions" that later turn out to be more like "once in a month promotions".

At the same time I am one of the people Propellerheads as reaching with this promotion. At full price I would have never looked at Reason because I need another DAW like I need the flu. But now that I have I must admit that Reason has a couple of very interesting and unique features that might come in handy at some point.

[antic604]

There's nothing in the picture that requires you to put it in the Combinator. I HATE Combinator

There is a macro assigned to osc1fm parameter if you look at pic 1.

Your feeling or lack of knowledge about the usage of the Combinator doesn't concern me

Obviously Osc1's FM can be modulated - automation, an external LFO or sequencer, etc. - using the CV matrix without it, so I can't see te benefit of putting it in Combinator

[recursive one]

There's nothing in the picture that requires you to put it in the Combinator. I HATE Combinator

There is a macro assigned to osc1fm parameter if you look at pic 1.

Your feeling or lack of knowledge about the usage of the Combinator doesn't concern me

Obviously Osc1's FM can be modulated - automation, an external LFO or sequencer, etc. - using the CV matrix without it, so I can't see te benefit of putting it in Combinator

But then imagine you want Osc1's FM amount, osc2 WT position and some parameter of an external FX to be controlled by the same knob, so that they change simultaneously within their own predefined ranges. I don't own Reason but Studio One has the same functionality and it is very handy. It opens the way for some cool sound design tricks which may be much harder to implement if you control all the parameters on their own.

[EnGee]

There's nothing in the picture that requires you to put it in the Combinator. I HATE Combinator

There is a macro assigned to osc1fm parameter if you look at pic 1.

Your feeling or lack of knowledge about the usage of the Combinator doesn't concern me

Obviously Osc1's FM can be modulated - automation, an external LFO or sequencer, etc. - using the CV matrix without it, so I can't see te benefit of putting it in Combinator

It is an example man!
The Combinator is very useful with its various modulations and idea. It is a container and it makes it more organised to have two synths and their midi/audio effects in one container. This has started at version 3 I think, so it is not something new to argue about! People used it a lot, and it would be very strange if you don't know that!

You are free to hate it and not using it, but to advise against it for the others, is strange! Anyway, I won't take your word for it because I have read and used Combinator and I just need to refresh my memory about it and Reason in general recursive one has guessed it right

[SLiC]

I already had a free licence but still didn't take the 99 USD upgrade deal, its cheap but if you already have a DAW and a bunch of VST's I am not sure what REASON adds (other than a very small GUI on a 4K monitor). I would love to see the prop's just push their instruments out as VST's (or even a rack collection like soundtoys), but if they are making good money with the current user base and cheap updates (I wonder if they are getting rid of the lite versions) then good on them, I like the props (fond memories of re-birth) and they seem to have a great community, I just cant get on with Reason!

[antic604]

There's nothing in the picture that requires you to put it in the Combinator. I HATE Combinator

There is a macro assigned to osc1fm parameter if you look at pic 1.

Your feeling or lack of knowledge about the usage of the Combinator doesn't concern me

Obviously Osc1's FM can be modulated - automation, an external LFO or sequencer, etc. - using the CV matrix without it, so I can't see te benefit of putting it in Combinator

But then imagine you want Osc1's FM amount, osc2 WT position and some parameter of an external FX to be controlled by the same knob, so that they change simultaneously within their own predefined ranges. I don't own Reason but Studio One has the same functionality and it is very handy. It opens the way for some cool sound design tricks which may be much harder to implement if you control all the parameters on their own.

In Reason I'd rather use a free tool like this (https://shop.propellerheads.se/rack-ext ... -splitter/) to simply convert my "master" CV into inverse and/or range-limited multiple copies of it, to connect them to other devices.

Combinator - for me - is a great idea, botched in implementation:
- only 4 knobs & 4 buttons, which is nowhere near enough for automation-heavy genres,
- if you need more, you can obviously automate parameter of embedded devices in a direct way, but this will create separate sequencer track for each device - gets messy very quickly, resulting in eg. 5 tracks for a single lead,
- knob/button labels do not transfer to sequencer automation tracks,
- it looks ugly

[antic604]

You are free to hate it and not using it, but to advise against it for the others, is strange!

I'm not doing it, just expressing my opinion.

And even if I did, how is it anymore strange than you encouraging people to use it?

[EnochLight]

Alright ladies and gentlemen, let's keep this train on the tracks please.

[Photo_G]

I've watched a few video tutorials on rewiring Reason v10 to Studio One v3, but I'm not clear whether there is a way to have a stereo Reason instrument rewired to a stereo track in S1, rather than to two mono tracks. Is this possible?

Also, are there any other challenges or limitations to rewiring Reason instruments to other DAW's?

Thanks in advance,
G

[EnochLight]

I've watched a few video tutorials on rewiring Reason v10 to Studio One v3, but I'm not clear whether there is a way to have a stereo Reason instrument rewired to a stereo track in S1, rather than to two mono tracks. Is this possible?

Also, are there any other challenges or limitations to rewiring Reason instruments to other DAW's?

Thanks in advance,
G

I haven't ReWired in a long time, but one limitation with Reason is that if you ReWire into another DAW, you can't use VST in Reason. You'll have to use the host DAW for that.