New Wolfgang Palm (PPG Infinite) tool coming...

[Echoes in the Attic]

Doing a little more research it seems like Infinite Pro is pure spectral/noise resynthesis, allowing control over individual partials, whereas WAvemapper is more of a high quality sample stretch type thing which can scan through the sample, as well as create a wavetable from the sample, but it seems like the resulting wavetable is also limited more to scanning through it, or between wavetables, as opposed to dissecting the harmonic content like infinite pro. Both seem useful.

Do all his synths generally cover the sonic range of the PPG Wave? I know they tend to include factory waveforms, which I assume many come fro the original PPG? And I'm sure the filter is very similar at least.

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

[Tj Shredder]

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

I can only talk for the iPad version, but it works pretty nice at least as ChannelPerVoice, but does not act correctly on playing multiple keys of the same pitch. I play it with 24 note bend though. You don't want more on a LinnStrument...

[Echoes in the Attic]

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

I can only talk for the iPad version, but it works pretty nice at least as ChannelPerVoice, but does not act correctly on playing multiple keys of the same pitch. I play it with 24 note bend though. You don't want more on a LinnStrument...

Actually 48 bend range (+/-) is the MPE spec and you can't use anything else in bitwig as the per note pitch bend expects 48 note range.Does infinite pro have the full mpe range?

[Tj Shredder]

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

I can only talk for the iPad version, but it works pretty nice at least as ChannelPerVoice, but does not act correctly on playing multiple keys of the same pitch. I play it with 24 note bend though. You don't want more on a LinnStrument...

Actually 48 bend range (+/-) is the MPE spec and you can't use anything else in bitwig as the per note pitch bend expects 48 note range.Does infinite pro have the full mpe range?

It does not depend on Bitwig, if you set it on your instrument the same as on your vst, it will work. Unfortunately the MPE support of Bitwig is not complete, they trash the channel information for no good reason. But they are aware of it...

There are voices who claim 96 is the standard. (good if you have a full size Continuum or Roli grand)

We will struggle a while with too little bend ranges and developers not being aware of the importance of expressiveness in music...

As I said, I can't talk about the vst version...

[Echoes in the Attic]

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

I can only talk for the iPad version, but it works pretty nice at least as ChannelPerVoice, but does not act correctly on playing multiple keys of the same pitch. I play it with 24 note bend though. You don't want more on a LinnStrument...

Actually 48 bend range (+/-) is the MPE spec and you can't use anything else in bitwig as the per note pitch bend expects 48 note range.Does infinite pro have the full mpe range?

It does not depend on Bitwig, if you set it on your instrument the same as on your vst, it will work.

No, it won't. Or rather it play correctly the first time, but it won' play back correctly because Bitwig requires +/-48 bend range and does not allow you to change it like other DAWs do. So for example if your instrument has a +/-24 bend range, then on playback your bends will be half of what was originally played. Or the midi data will be incorrect relative to the pitches. Trust me, i know what I'm talking about here. And I am fully aware of the other Bitwig MPE shortcomings, I rant about it all the time.

So back to question that I asked, is there a way to set the bend range in Infinite to be +/-48? I've been playing with the demo and I can not find a pitch bend range setting.

[pdxindy]

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

I can only talk for the iPad version, but it works pretty nice at least as ChannelPerVoice, but does not act correctly on playing multiple keys of the same pitch. I play it with 24 note bend though. You don't want more on a LinnStrument...

Actually 48 bend range (+/-) is the MPE spec and you can't use anything else in bitwig as the per note pitch bend expects 48 note range.Does infinite pro have the full mpe range?

It can do +/- 48

[Tj Shredder]

It does not depend on Bitwig, if you set it on your instrument the same as on your vst, it will work.

No, it won't. Or rather it play correctly the first time, but it won' play back correctly because Bitwig requires +/-48 bend range and does not allow you to change it like other DAWs do.

If you think about just the information you give Bitwig, how should Bitwig know what the pitch bend you send means?
I would agree, that editing that information, would require some extra thought.
On the opposite, if Bitwig would know the range the vst is set to, they could automate those settings, which would be cool.

[ThomasHelzle]

Stumbled over this discussion by accident

In the Bitwig API you can set an input to use MPE:

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noteInputMpe.setUseExpressiveMidi(true, 0, 48);

The last number is the pitch bend range (see for instance the Joue controller script).
Does changing that number make it work correctly?
Could be made into a preference for easier changing or even change/save-per-document...

Cheers,

Tom

[Echoes in the Attic]

It does not depend on Bitwig, if you set it on your instrument the same as on your vst, it will work.

No, it won't. Or rather it play correctly the first time, but it won' play back correctly because Bitwig requires +/-48 bend range and does not allow you to change it like other DAWs do.

If you think about just the information you give Bitwig, how should Bitwig know what the pitch bend you send means?
I would agree, that editing that information, would require some extra thought.
On the opposite, if Bitwig would know the range the vst is set to, they could automate those settings, which would be cool.

Other DAWs allow you to set the pitch bend range, Bitwig does not. There is automation per note that you can use to adjust the pitch, which match notes in the midi editor. So when you draw the automation line from one note up a full tone, the pitch bend it is meant to send is + 2 notes. however this assumes that the instruments full pitch bend response is +/-48 notes. If the instruments range is +/-24, then you will hear only a semi-tone (1 note) bend from the automation just described. This is the issue. Other DAWs don't seem to mind so you can set your instrument pitch bend range so that the track can properly playback pitch bend per note data.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Stumbled over this discussion by accident

In the Bitwig API you can set an input to use MPE:

Code: Select all

noteInputMpe.setUseExpressiveMidi(true, 0, 48);

The last number is the pitch bend range (see for instance the Joue controller script).
Does changing that number make it work correctly?
Could be made into a preference for easier changing or even change/save-per-document...

Cheers,

Tom

I'm not sure. Where is this code? Is it for a specific hardware device? If so, it will not affect the midi data playback. As described above you don't need any hardware mpe device to test this. Simply draw per note pitch bend on an multichannel/mpe synth which has it's range set to +/-24. You'll easily see that it bends half of what the midi data tells it to. No idea what that code is for.

[Echoes in the Attic]

One other question, for MPE users - How does this work for MPE? Is it easy to enough to set up? Good modulation options with aftertouch and timbre/Y? 48 note bend range? Any issues?

I can only talk for the iPad version, but it works pretty nice at least as ChannelPerVoice, but does not act correctly on playing multiple keys of the same pitch. I play it with 24 note bend though. You don't want more on a LinnStrument...

Actually 48 bend range (+/-) is the MPE spec and you can't use anything else in bitwig as the per note pitch bend expects 48 note range.Does infinite pro have the full mpe range?

It can do +/- 48

Thanks. Where is that set? Onyl got 7 days on this damn demo! Crazy.

[pdxindy]

It can do +/- 48

Thanks. Where is that set? Onyl got 7 days on this damn demo! Crazy.

3RD TAB... where the reverb and delay are

[martinjuenke]

Anybody used this thing with a Roli seaboard?
How‘s it working?

[NothanUmber]

Found a video of somebody playing the iOS version of that synth with a Seaboard


Looks really interesting. Good to see that MPE compatible synths finally start to flourish!
Wondering a little about the approach used here (or perhaps only about the marketing ). Is this essentially an additive synth like Alchemy (adding up sines, filtering noise, morphing between partials of different sounds)? The word "additive" synthesizer appears nowhere on the description page. Is this synthesis approach a new twist on additive synthesis? Or something completely different?

[Sampleconstruct]

In the latest Logic update Infinite fails to validate.