I must admit that I don't really know what that is - could you be a bit more specific?EvilDragon wrote:Articulation mapping and note expression?Last time I checked Sonar didn't have those either.
Cakewalk is dead. Long live Cakewalk!
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- KVRAF
- 25007 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
See Cubase for both. Logic got articulation mapping recently, and Reaper has it via several different scripted methods (and official native implementation likely coming in R6). Note expression seems to be Cubase-only right now (but FL Studio has similar means of editing per-note modulations/CCs).
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- KVRAF
- 25007 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
If you try hard enough, you will certainly manage to come up with a few more potential features that Sonar does not have - that however does not change anything about my point that its feature-set is unrivaled.
Cubase for instance (which according to you is the only one to have both of these features) is very poor in other regards.
Cubase for instance (which according to you is the only one to have both of these features) is very poor in other regards.
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Every DAW is poor in SOME regards, heh. i.e. Sonar has notation, but it's shit compared to how Reaper handles it. IMHO.
Also if we're comparing features, I don't think any DAW can compare with extensibility that Reaper has and all the things the userbase did with scripting and extensions (that along craps over all other DAWs including Sonar, to take your statement)... Sure Sonar has CAL scripting, but it's a far cry from what Lua and Python can do... With that power, Reaper got the clip launching extension (PlayTime) and many other things... But you know all that
Also if we're comparing features, I don't think any DAW can compare with extensibility that Reaper has and all the things the userbase did with scripting and extensions (that along craps over all other DAWs including Sonar, to take your statement)... Sure Sonar has CAL scripting, but it's a far cry from what Lua and Python can do... With that power, Reaper got the clip launching extension (PlayTime) and many other things... But you know all that
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- KVRAF
- 25007 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Yes, I do - and that's why I disregard Reaper's extensions. For me personally they don't count (after tinkering with several for a while, I stopped even installing any of them). But yes, if they did, it would be another story.
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Not sure why disregard something that's obviously a feature (extensibility). Since Sonar offers some form of extensibility via their CAL scripting system, it's definitely a valid comparison metric. Maybe because then your original statement about Sonar being so featureful that it craps over all other DAWs would pale by comparison due to what Reaper's userbase managed to do with Reaper's obviously better extensibility? 
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- KVRAF
- 25007 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
I don't remember anymore exactly - I think it was a version compatibility mess when updating Reaper... or perhaps when installing Reaper on a new machine and stuff wouldn't work/display properly without first obtaining the correct extensions from all over the web? Either way it was far too messy/unofficial/unsupported/hacky for my taste. Reaper is the Linux of DAWs.
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
SWS extension (the only one in existence, really) does update with time and sometimes Reaper version requirement changes. It's not messy or unofficial or unsupported, it's all stated on SWS website.
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- KVRAF
- 4467 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
the extensions are targetting internal REAPER API - of course they have to be updated with REAPER. think of it like updating your drivers when you install a new OS.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRAF
- 25007 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
And yet Reaper doesn't update them automatically - so how could you say it's equal to natively-implemented features?
I don't know the specifics anymore, but it WAS too messy for my taste - I'm not making that up.
B.t.w.: funny how every single thread seems to end up being about Reaper sooner or later...
I don't know the specifics anymore, but it WAS too messy for my taste - I'm not making that up.
B.t.w.: funny how every single thread seems to end up being about Reaper sooner or later...
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- KVRAF
- 4467 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
how is it supposed to "update them automatically" if it's a user-created extension?
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
Funny, that thought has crossed my mind as well.jens wrote:
B.t.w.: funny how every single thread seems to end up being about Reaper sooner or later...
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRian
- 570 posts since 9 Jan, 2012 from Dona Ana, New Mexiico in the US of A
Mine too...Reaper IS the Linux of DAW's. Does anything you need if you program it. Maybe if you have time after getting it setup(or answering posts, even ones not about it or in defence of it) you might have time to make some music.
Just kidding...
Just kidding...
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
I have been testing Reaper for a while, and must admit it is an impressive piece of technology. It sometimes easily does things that I cannot get to work in other DAWs. I have several DAWs that I use. If you take the time, you can do just about anything with Reaper. But that is the keyword... 'time'...CTStump wrote:Mine too...Reaper IS the Linux of DAW's. Does anything you need if you program it. Maybe if you have time after getting it setup(or answering posts, even ones not about it or in defence of it) you might have time to make some music.
Just kidding...
I have also been using Linux for many years (but not for music). So as a project I once spent several weekends trying to figure out how to get audio routing to work reliably in Linux. At some point I realized that I already had a perfectly working audio system and DAW on my Windows machine. I'm sure Linux could do much with audio, given the time to set it up. The keyword here is 'time', again...
Before the Reaper or Linux fans get upset here, realize that I am a fan of the creators and developers of both. Much respect for their creativity and contributions!
But I am just not ready to take either as my daily driver. Life is too short! Make music!!!
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- 25007 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
So I take it you agree that they're not the same as native features?Burillo wrote:how is it supposed to "update them automatically" if it's a user-created extension?