Waves Element 2 Preset Management Disgraceful

[wagtunes]

Okay, I downloaded the library since it's free. It's just individual presets. There is no actual bank. You have to load them in through your Windows or MAC file management system. They do not show up as a bank in Element.

Please stop trying to guess at something when you clearly have NO clue what you're talking about. You don't even own the damn synth. So just stop.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

There ARE soundsets for Element, in the XPS format:
http://patcharena.com/downloads/comment ... bba6b6c3a2

Then they had to go through some special process with Waves like you have to do with UVI Falcon, because there is no way to make a sound bank on your own that shows up as a bank in Element 2.

Yeah, its a bummer. This has become my favorite synth. I uave tried everything. What I ended up doing is creating a folder called vsti presets/element/bass...pad...etc. And store my presets accordingly. It is still a bit F' up because you have to copy the name you used because as soon as you save it you are presented with a dialog to confirm. Sometimes the name matches....sometimes not. This is still better than saving itvto the user browser in Element because once you reach something like 50 presets it becomes very tedious to scroll through them AND!!!! they are saved in order of creation so new ones are at the bottom out of view.

Waldorf PPG 2v is the only thing worse......and its also a favorite....go figure.

[macmuse]

On the Mac, the presets made in Element are on the hard drive, visible, within a folder. Not as a bank though.

To load a preset (any, whether mine or the factory) I just click the Load button and they are all there in a menu, without having to navigate to a folder. The PC must handle them differently?

[wagtunes]

On the Mac, the presets made in Element are on the hard drive, visible, within a folder. Not as a bank though.

To load a preset (any, whether mine or the factory) I just click the Load button and they are all there in a menu, without having to navigate to a folder. The PC must handle them differently?

Apparently so. What a f**ked up system.

[fluffy_little_something]

Okay, I downloaded the library since it's free. It's just individual presets. There is no actual bank. You have to load them in through your Windows or MAC file management system. They do not show up as a bank in Element.

Please stop trying to guess at something when you clearly have NO clue what you're talking about. You don't even own the damn synth. So just stop.

It's none of your business what I do and don't do. Just helping you with links, you are welcome...
And I did own the synth But I don't remember having your problems.

[wagtunes]

Okay, I downloaded the library since it's free. It's just individual presets. There is no actual bank. You have to load them in through your Windows or MAC file management system. They do not show up as a bank in Element.

Please stop trying to guess at something when you clearly have NO clue what you're talking about. You don't even own the damn synth. So just stop.

It's none of your business what I do and don't do. Just helping you with links, you are welcome...
And I did own the synth But I don't remember having your problems.

Well you're not helping. Unless you can give me specific answers to my problems (how to create a bank for Element 2 that shows up in the menu) then you're not helping.

So please, just stop.

[fluffy_little_something]

You are lucky I am in the middle of my annual IRS nightmare, else I would help you even more

[Hink]

Okay, I downloaded the library since it's free. It's just individual presets. There is no actual bank. You have to load them in through your Windows or MAC file management system. They do not show up as a bank in Element.

Please stop trying to guess at something when you clearly have NO clue what you're talking about. You don't even own the damn synth. So just stop.

c'mon wags, whether he did or not clearly fls was only trying to help

[Ingonator]

There ARE soundsets for Element, in the XPS format:
http://patcharena.com/downloads/comment ... bba6b6c3a2

Then they had to go through some special process with Waves like you have to do with UVI Falcon, because there is no way to make a sound bank on your own that shows up as a bank in Element 2.

It looks that a bank that was created with "Save To New File" in Element 2 as a new XPS file will no longer appear in the Presets list once the plugin and/or host is re-loaded. You have to use "Open Preset file" and load the XPS file with this again to have the bank and presets again in the list.

Only presets that are saved with "Save into Preset Menu As..." will always stay in the Preset list.
Those presets seem to be saved in the "Element2 Settings.xps" file at the location taht was mentioned earlier here.

FWIW i agree that for using custom banks and/or your own ones the preset system is quite bad indeed.

Saving and loading single patches in a host specific format (e.g. *.fxp in Live 10) seems to be possible.

[wagtunes]

There ARE soundsets for Element, in the XPS format:
http://patcharena.com/downloads/comment ... bba6b6c3a2

Then they had to go through some special process with Waves like you have to do with UVI Falcon, because there is no way to make a sound bank on your own that shows up as a bank in Element 2.

It looks that a bank that was created with "Save To New File" in Element 2 as a new XPS file will no longer appear in the Presets list once the plugin and/or host is re-loaded. You have to use "Open Preset file" and load the XPS file with this again to have the bank and presets again in the list.

Only presets that are saved with "Save into Preset Menu As..." will always stay in the Preset list.
Those presets seem to be saved in the "Element2 Settings.xps" file at the location taht was mentioned earlier here.

So then how does one actually create a bank of presets similar to the factory ones? Or is that not possible? Waves says it isn't but that was a while ago.

[Ingonator]

There ARE soundsets for Element, in the XPS format:
http://patcharena.com/downloads/comment ... bba6b6c3a2

Then they had to go through some special process with Waves like you have to do with UVI Falcon, because there is no way to make a sound bank on your own that shows up as a bank in Element 2.

It looks that a bank that was created with "Save To New File" in Element 2 as a new XPS file will no longer appear in the Presets list once the plugin and/or host is re-loaded. You have to use "Open Preset file" and load the XPS file with this again to have the bank and presets again in the list.

Only presets that are saved with "Save into Preset Menu As..." will always stay in the Preset list.
Those presets seem to be saved in the "Element2 Settings.xps" file at the location taht was mentioned earlier here.

So then how does one actually create a bank of presets similar to the factory ones? Or is that not possible? Waves says it isn't but that was a while ago.

You could created a new bank in XPS format with "Save to New File..." in the SAVE menu. For example you name it "Wagtunes Bank 1.xps".
You could then save new presets to this bank with "Save To Wagtunes Bank 1.xps as..." in the SAVE menu.
Presets will then appear in the preset list in alphabetical order without sub-folders, with "Wagtunes Bank 1:" as a title of the bank. Presets saved that way automatically seem to be saved to the corresponding XPS file.

As alraedy mentioned the custom bank seems to dispapear from teh list if the plugin is re-loaded and to get it again you have to reload the XPS file with "Open Preset File..." in the LOAD menu.


The currently used patch of an instance is saved with the host project, at least it works like that here.


As mentioned above saving patches in a host specific format seems to be possible too.


Currently that preset system is not really nice for using custom banks but still it is possble to save and load you own patches and/or banks.

[wagtunes]

There ARE soundsets for Element, in the XPS format:
http://patcharena.com/downloads/comment ... bba6b6c3a2

Then they had to go through some special process with Waves like you have to do with UVI Falcon, because there is no way to make a sound bank on your own that shows up as a bank in Element 2.

It looks that a bank that was created with "Save To New File" in Element 2 as a new XPS file will no longer appear in the Presets list once the plugin and/or host is re-loaded. You have to use "Open Preset file" and load the XPS file with this again to have the bank and presets again in the list.

Only presets that are saved with "Save into Preset Menu As..." will always stay in the Preset list.
Those presets seem to be saved in the "Element2 Settings.xps" file at the location taht was mentioned earlier here.

So then how does one actually create a bank of presets similar to the factory ones? Or is that not possible? Waves says it isn't but that was a while ago.

You could created a new bank in XPS format with "Save to New File..." in the SAVE menu. For example you name it "Wagtunes Bank 1.xps".
You could then save new presets to this bank with "Save To Wagtunes Bank 1.xps as..." in the SAVE menu.
Presets will then appear in the preset list in alphabetical order without sub-folders, with "Wagtunes Bank 1:" as a title of the bank. Presets saved that way automatically seem to be saved to the corresponding XPS file.

As alraedy mentioned the custom bank seems to dispapear from teh list if the plugin is re-loaded and to get it again you have to reload the XPS file with "Open Preset File..." in the LOAD menu.


The currently used patch of an instance is saved with the host project, at least it works like that here.


As mentioned above saving patches in a host specific format seems to be possible too.


Currently that preset system is not really nice for using custom banks but still it is possble to save and load you own patches and/or banks.

Can you imagine all the support requests I'd get with this ridiculous system?

"Hey man, your bank disappeared. What happened to it?"

I'll pass.

[Ingonator]

There ARE soundsets for Element, in the XPS format:
http://patcharena.com/downloads/comment ... bba6b6c3a2

Then they had to go through some special process with Waves like you have to do with UVI Falcon, because there is no way to make a sound bank on your own that shows up as a bank in Element 2.

It looks that a bank that was created with "Save To New File" in Element 2 as a new XPS file will no longer appear in the Presets list once the plugin and/or host is re-loaded. You have to use "Open Preset file" and load the XPS file with this again to have the bank and presets again in the list.

Only presets that are saved with "Save into Preset Menu As..." will always stay in the Preset list.
Those presets seem to be saved in the "Element2 Settings.xps" file at the location taht was mentioned earlier here.

So then how does one actually create a bank of presets similar to the factory ones? Or is that not possible? Waves says it isn't but that was a while ago.

You could created a new bank in XPS format with "Save to New File..." in the SAVE menu. For example you name it "Wagtunes Bank 1.xps".
You could then save new presets to this bank with "Save To Wagtunes Bank 1.xps as..." in the SAVE menu.
Presets will then appear in the preset list in alphabetical order without sub-folders, with "Wagtunes Bank 1:" as a title of the bank. Presets saved that way automatically seem to be saved to the corresponding XPS file.

As alraedy mentioned the custom bank seems to dispapear from teh list if the plugin is re-loaded and to get it again you have to reload the XPS file with "Open Preset File..." in the LOAD menu.


The currently used patch of an instance is saved with the host project, at least it works like that here.


As mentioned above saving patches in a host specific format seems to be possible too.


Currently that preset system is not really nice for using custom banks but still it is possble to save and load you own patches and/or banks.

Can you imagine all the support requests I'd get with this ridiculous system?

"Hey man, your bank disappeared. What happened to it?"

I'll pass.

If certain single patches should stay permanently in the presets list you could re-save them with "Put Into Preset Menu As...”. As alraedy mentioed those will then be stored in a specific default XPS file.

That's also mentioned in this description done by Waves about how to use free presets for their plúgins:
https://www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/presets/ ... resets.pdf

[layzer]

i love it when a synth can remember where its patches are when you initiate file>load

[zenophilix]

That's... ridiculous. I was looking at Element 2, but not anymore.