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akira2 · Post by **akira2** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:36 pm

so it's really a clone..no modern touch
Well if it has no full midi implementation nor presets bank to be able to save them...there is no sense anymore to buy it...
I really I don't understand why they didn't add it... probably for the price ...but without midi and presets....
I will stay with vst so !
Thanks for the info

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:09 am

I've owned a real Pro-One since 1981, and I rarely have used it in the last 10 years (it could use some work and has no MIDI). Not having preset memory is not good. And let's not forget u-he's excellent effects that come with Repro, if you want to compare the two. And now you have a polyphonic Repro-5 as part of the deal. I don't suppose you could do automated knob tweaking with the Behringer?

akira2 · Post by **akira2** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:16 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
akira2 wrote:If anything will change the cost paradigm of software, it's going to be mobile. Young kids are going to come up on $5 apps and tablets and may not ever see the need for desktops, or expensive hardware, DAW's, and plugins.

Well maybe you're finally right...
Because I just saw this, The minimoog for $5 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/moog-music ... -ios-40754

Now I just would like to know why vst software are so expansive compared to tablets software ? There is something wrong no ?

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:22 pm

akira2 wrote:
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
akira2 wrote:If anything will change the cost paradigm of software, it's going to be mobile. Young kids are going to come up on $5 apps and tablets and may not ever see the need for desktops, or expensive hardware, DAW's, and plugins.
Well maybe you're finally right...
Because I just saw this, The minimoog for $5 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/moog-music ... -ios-40754

Now I just would like to know why vst software are so expansive compared to tablets software ? There is something wrong no ?

The market for apps is infinitely larger so the R&D can be spread wider.

Same principle as selling high volume at low margin. This can’t happen in VST land because the customer base is smaller.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:25 pm

Yeah. It's just a totally different market. You won't be able to sell soft synths on iOS for 149 €, simply because no other app costs that much. And, as it will sell like hot cakes, it more or less comes out the same, whether you sell a few thousand copies for 149, or 10 times as many copies of the 5 € app. As you only develop for a single platform, the support costs may also be much lower.

bftucker · Post by **bftucker** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:37 pm

chk071 wrote:Yeah. It's just a totally different market. You won't be able to sell soft synths on iOS for 149 €, simply because no other app costs that much. And, as it will sell like hot cakes, it more or less comes out the same, whether you sell a few thousand copies for 149, or 10 times as many copies of the 5 € app. As you only develop for a single platform, the support costs may also be much lower.

"Synthtopia: Moog’s iOS synths are some of the most professional ones available. Why aren’t you making them available for desktop computers?

Geert Bevin: We get a lot of requests for it. The main thing there is that we’re still getting into the software aspect of things. We are a small company. We have limited resources. And we try to deliver quality products every time.

By focusing on one platform (iOS), it is a walled garden, but it has the advantage that it is a known walled garden. We know exactly what we have to test.

So, we have all of the devices. We actually open it up on all the devices and see if it behaves right, if it feels great, if it responds correctly, if it loads quickly. Everything about the app, we test on the actual device, because that is how the user will experience it.

It’s going to be a lot of work, if we go to other platforms. It doesn’t meant we won’t do it, but we’re going to need a lot of additional resources. We’re in the process of discovering how we can move through this software world, while building synths in the way we build them, which is with a lot of love and care and attention to detail."

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:25 pm

bftucker wrote:
chk071 wrote:Yeah. It's just a totally different market. You won't be able to sell soft synths on iOS for 149 €, simply because no other app costs that much. And, as it will sell like hot cakes, it more or less comes out the same, whether you sell a few thousand copies for 149, or 10 times as many copies of the 5 € app. As you only develop for a single platform, the support costs may also be much lower.
"Synthtopia: Moog’s iOS synths are some of the most professional ones available. Why aren’t you making them available for desktop computers?

Geert Bevin: We get a lot of requests for it. The main thing there is that we’re still getting into the software aspect of things. We are a small company. We have limited resources. And we try to deliver quality products every time.

By focusing on one platform (iOS), it is a walled garden, but it has the advantage that it is a known walled garden. We know exactly what we have to test.

So, we have all of the devices. We actually open it up on all the devices and see if it behaves right, if it feels great, if it responds correctly, if it loads quickly. Everything about the app, we test on the actual device, because that is how the user will experience it.

It’s going to be a lot of work, if we go to other platforms. It doesn’t meant we won’t do it, but we’re going to need a lot of additional resources. We’re in the process of discovering how we can move through this software world, while building synths in the way we build them, which is with a lot of love and care and attention to detail."

This app kicks Behringer analog in the ass. I´m still quite shocked how good this app sounds and
the saturation is the best i ever heard in a software synth for really dirty bass.

It might be the best sounding software synth together with Repro and P900 for me.
It has 4 voices, MPE, and a lot other extras. I payed 5 dollar.
I really hope we get a VST/AU some day and i can run it integrated in my DAW with my other favorites for analog. It´s even the best synth out there for certain sounds and it runs on an old phone. I still can´t believe it. Maybe someone should model this version. Especially the feedback is the first one which is really usable (still not like the hardware but it adds really growl and dirty low end with punch).
Also the filter here i would prefer above all the other emulations like Monark, The Legend, Arturia, Minimonsta, Diva (sorry) etc.
I know it´s hard to believe but this is the first app which really blows most desktop plug-ins away for it´s sweet spot.
The question is what comes first.....the Moog VST/AU or Repro app

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu May 03, 2018 1:55 pm

Ok this synth can send MIDI over USB

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Thu May 03, 2018 2:58 pm

Most likely just note data, dont exect any of the knibs to send midi.

I can see those poor Uhe fans getting all excited at the prospect of a cheap controller. It isnt

Elektronisch wrote:Ok this synth can send MIDI over USB

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu May 03, 2018 3:08 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:Most likely just note data, dont exect any of the knibs to send midi.

I can see those poor Uhe fans getting all excited at the prospect of a cheap controller. It isnt

Elektronisch wrote:Ok this synth can send MIDI over USB

Most likely you dont know that yourself

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu May 03, 2018 3:15 pm

The knobs dont send midi data, same as the minibrute etc.

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu May 03, 2018 3:25 pm

AnX wrote:The knobs dont send midi data, same as the minibrute etc.

Where is it written? Most likely you know this information so would be nice to see the source

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon May 07, 2018 8:21 am

Actually, i may be wrong

Watching the MS 101 video, im sure he said all the sliders send midi cc, so who knows, maybe the pro one will work as a 1 to 1 controller (tho it seems pointless to buy a hardware synth to control a soft version)

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon May 07, 2018 8:53 am

I had a look at this controller and it'll rock for Repro:

http://sound-force.nl/?page_id=2412

I also had a listen to the Berhinger prototype and they have a long way to go if they want to make it sound right. Their manufacturing process is "too good", it seems quirckless.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon May 07, 2018 9:16 am

Urs wrote:I had a look at this controller and it'll rock for Repro:

http://sound-force.nl/?page_id=2412

I also had a listen to the Berhinger prototype and they have a long way to go if they want to make it sound right. Their manufacturing process is "too good", it seems quirckless.

Yes, but if they make it sound 'OK' with CV etc (my ARP spends a lot of time as a euroorack voice!) AND its a 1-1 controller for Repro et al for not much more than the cost of a 'controller only', why buy just a controller?

u-he

KVR Audio

Looks like Behringer is making RePro Controller