TAL Mod

[Halonmusic]

There is some empty space left in the envelope sections, maybe for a timing knob (from percussive to slow) and a velocity cable input.

And there is one space left in the mod source section, maybe for a constant source.

Good idea. It would be cool with loop able envelopes aswell.

Where do you change the number of voices? Am i blind?

Master > Voices.

Thanks.

[JerGoertz]

@Cinebient Hey buddy, we can't all have Macs and play with P900's, okay?

[Robmobius]

I payed €15 for ACE (there was a promo once) f.e. But it´s not in my Top 3.
I payed €69 for Repro (which include Repro 1 and 5 now) which is one of my favorite 3.
I payed under €5 for Model D which has the best filter section in software i ever heard yet, yes including all my plug-ins and all other Minimoog emulations on the market. Yeah, it´s an iOS app but since i already have an idevice it was a cheap polyphonic reissue Minimoog D.
P900 was actually more expensive but gives me much more options which sound much better (still my favorite synth in general).

That's the thing though... P900 is more expensive (quite a bit if I remember correctly). It's not really an appropriate comparison like Zebra (you mentioned price initially).

Getting ACE (cheap or second hand) isn't really applicable for the average punter who will most likely have to pay its full price.

Again Repro is not comparable either regarding price. You got it on offer just as the TAL is now. It's 30e more. Also... Not really the same animal.

I've yet to hear anything that can beat the TAL (and TAL's stuff in general) for a direct or lower price point. Incidentally, I have all of U-he's synths, but I don't think it's quite a fair comparison when it comes to price...

[layzer]

Obviously, ace.... if you own an Enterprise Network Server with 8 4ghz Xeon quad core CPUs that can handle its load.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=274164

Sorry, your 286 is a bit old for modern audio plugins.
It's time to upgrade.

dude, i have a quad core 3.4ghz xeon daw and i wouldnt poision it with uhe anything.
did you read the thread i linked to? no of course not. well the guy in there has an i7 and he still moaning about it sucking the cycles out of it, so STFU.

[Cinebient]

@Cinebient Hey buddy, we can't all have Macs and play with P900's, okay?

Yes, sorry, I´m a bit obsessed with it (and actually surprised that an app can even have a better filter section but more limited of course).
If a new synth has value depends of course of what you already own and what sounds you are after.

[layzer]

Obviously, ace.... if you own a Enterprise Network Server with 8 Xeon quad CPUs that can handle its load.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=274164

That thread is 8 years old, modern computers are much more powerful.

just think how little cpu other more cpu efficient synths from 8 years ago run on so called modern computers. ACE is still a hog, back then and now.

[Cinebient]

I payed €15 for ACE (there was a promo once) f.e. But it´s not in my Top 3.
I payed €69 for Repro (which include Repro 1 and 5 now) which is one of my favorite 3.
I payed under €5 for Model D which has the best filter section in software i ever heard yet, yes including all my plug-ins and all other Minimoog emulations on the market. Yeah, it´s an iOS app but since i already have an idevice it was a cheap polyphonic reissue Minimoog D.
P900 was actually more expensive but gives me much more options which sound much better (still my favorite synth in general).

That's the thing though... P900 is more expensive (quite a bit if I remember correctly). It's not really an appropriate comparison like Zebra (you mentioned price initially).

Getting ACE (cheap or second hand) isn't really applicable for the average punter who will most likely have to pay its full price.

Again Repro is not comparable either regarding price. You got it on offer just as the TAL is now. It's 30e more. Also... Not really the same animal.

I've yet to hear anything that can beat the TAL (and TAL's stuff in general) for a direct or lower price point. Incidentally, I have all of U-he's synths, but I don't think it's quite a fair comparison when it comes to price...

Hard to judge price/quality/versatility. If i get more i pay more. Twice the price, 3X more options and much better sound....i´m sold. My tools range from free to several 100´s and i see value in most of them.
Like i said i will give it a chance for sure and might like it after some time.

[BlackWinny]

So far, I think that only MUX could be a challenger in the same league and the same range of price.

The usual price of MUX (VST edition) is €59.

The usual price of TAL-Mod will be more or less the same.

The main difference between them is in their architecture: TAL-Mod uses a fixed architecture (the number of modules of a said type is fixed) while MUX uses an opened architecture (you build your synths yourself, the number of modules of a said type is unlimited). And also the number of types of modules is much wider in MUX. Regarding these first arguments, MUX wins. But TAL-Mod also has arguments which are not as appealing in MUX. For example, TAL-Mod seems much better in analogue sounds than MUX (which is mainly focused on modern sounds). For an absolute VA lover, it is obviously TAL-Mod which will win.

And the way to work with each one is also absolutely not the same. Much more complex in MUX, very direct and easy in TAL-Mod.

I think that for the same price both are good competitors... or good compliments. They share the same level of quality, the same price, and have complimentary arguments each one in its genres of music.

In my mind MUX seems the only modular synth which could be seen as a competitor to TAL-Mod for the same price.

And... I like both as well.

[JerGoertz]

@Cinebient Hey buddy, we can't all have Macs and play with P900's, okay?

Yes, sorry, I´m a bit obsessed with it (and actually surprised that an app can even have a better filter section but more limited of course).
If a new synth has value depends of course of what you already own and what sounds you are after.

Nah, it's fine, just joshing you. I so want the dev to make a Win version, but now it sounds like he won't, and it's making me cranky

[david.beholder]

did you read the thread i linked to? no of course not. well the guy in there has an i7 and he still moaning about it sucking the cycles out of it, so STFU.

I've read it 7 years ago. It's totally irrelevant thread in age of 10+ cores 4ghz processors.

You've been muted.
P.S. Really love your wild imagination about possessing xenon.

[Cinebient]

@Cinebient Hey buddy, we can't all have Macs and play with P900's, okay?

Yes, sorry, I´m a bit obsessed with it (and actually surprised that an app can even have a better filter section but more limited of course).
If a new synth has value depends of course of what you already own and what sounds you are after.

Nah, it's fine, just joshing you. I so want the dev to make a Win version, but now it sounds like he won't, and it's making me cranky

Yes, it´s something i try not to get too much love in it since it seems it is kind of finished as is and has some unsolved minor bugs as well yet.
Maybe Moog will enter the VST/AU market one day. I would be all over it since Model D is in a new class for me for the sweet spot.
At least i know now what code you can run even on old mobile chips. So no apologize for less from now on

[Robmobius]

Hard to judge price/quality/versatility. If i get more i pay more. Twice the price, 3X more options and much better sound....

I agree... It's hard to quantify. I think, when it comes to TAL they puch above their weight (TAL Sampler is a beast!).

If you want to do a direct comparison then I think it's hard to beat Repro (over any vst synth). I got it on promo too and some guys who owned all U-He's products got it for free!! Nice...

I also agree with what you said earlier too - it's about what you want out of a synth (when the price is not an issue). One of my all time favorites is Operator in Ableton. I like it so much (for bass) that I'd be hard-pressed to leave Ableton now as a DAW.

But if I want that analog vibe then Repro has it down.

[Cinebient]

Hard to judge price/quality/versatility. If i get more i pay more. Twice the price, 3X more options and much better sound....

I agree... It's hard to quantify. I think, when it comes to TAL they puch above their weight (TAL Sampler is a beast!).

If you want to do a direct comparison then I think it's hard to beat Repro (over any vst synth). I got it on promo too and some guys who owned all U-He's products got it for free!! Nice...

I also agree with what you said earlier too - it's about what you want out of a synth (when the price is not an issue). One of my all time favorites is Operator in Ableton. I like it so much (for bass) that I'd be hard-pressed to leave Ableton now as a DAW.

But if I want that analog vibe then Repro has it down.

Agree, Repro, P900 and the new Model D app are my Top 3 for analog. P900 can do quite a lot, Repro is the best Pro One and Prophet 5 out there and (yes i´m serious) Model D app is the best Minimoog D which i even like the raw tone more than Repro but Repro has some really outstanding FX on top and up to 8 voices. But the Moog has more beef!
The good things about Tal-Mod is i really like the GUI and like the U-he synths it has microtuning via .tun files which is a huge pro point for me personally. So i might already see some value right now.......

[braj]

Did anyone compare ACE and MOD resources? I don't own Ace, though I don't recall it being that bad last time I demo'd it on my old 3440 i7.

[plexuss]

I was just about to buy it, after starting with default and trying to program it, but then it appears the sequencer is not playing in time with my DAW. Logic X. sequence on, 16 steps, tempo set at 1/8 or /16 or any... seems to lose sync with the host.

After messing with 0.9.7 Beta, I find it too limiting: there needs to be more LFOs, like lots of them. With the patching feature it cries for unlimited LFOs. The sequencer sync bug. Each parameter of A D S R should be able to be modulated. as well as ADSR together. The FX needs to have drag and drop. More arp modes.

On the plus side, what's there is very nice. the sound of the synth is unique and powerful. it can go into those darker analogue textures like a Pro-one or old Roland, and out to unique extremes - both the oscilators and filters.

Would be nice to patch audio too. That might be out of scope but the interface and sound beg for it.

Is the idea that TAL will be adding more features to the Beta or is this it and its just testing now?