Ableton Push 1 vs Nektar Panorama P1

[lunardigs]

Btw, I see something that may be a bug. When using this 'parallel parameters' mode, I see the Sends are enumerated in banks of four. However, the fourth Send (per bank) is seemingly blocked by the "Up" label/function. Even still, "Up" works as expected within a nested view; I simply can't access the fourth Send here.

It is not a bug more like a compromise. You can still use the knob in case you have not noticed but you are right, you cannot enter the 8 mode. Maybe I will but this on a shift combination.

Okay. Yes, it does work in 'single selected track mode' (sorry if my terminology is confusing). Yet, in 'parallel track mode,' Send four (and eight) cannot be affected (not by pushing the "Up" button, at least). Moreover, in 'parallel track mode' once you surpass eight Sends, no further banks of Sends are enumerated--another matter, of course.

Btw, this is all very minor stuff to me, as Push4Bitwig is excellent! Furthermore, I never knew about 'parallel track mode' until you pointed it out . Although, as it concerns perfecting things I'm glad I can share this with you, directly.

Does the above make sense?

[lunardigs]

So what about mod assignments? Nektar did it before the new mod system, wondering if it still does. That would be pretty huge. Push can't do that right?

Explain further about the "mod assignments"; I think I understand what you're asking, although I want to be sure.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I mean the actual process of assigning modulation to parameters. Nektar has a demonstration video one where they should how to assign I think it was velocity or something to a parameter in polysynth with the hardware. So they hit whatever button was for the velocity assignment which activated the modulation learn I guess, like what happens when you click a mod icon in the software, and then turn the knob on the hardware assigning the mod amount for that control, just like you’d adjust the mod depth on the control in software. Seems like a straight forward system and seems like it would be doable on any control surface as long as a modulators assign button can be triggered from the control surface, which it should be like any other on/off button.

[zfigz]

are there any nektar panorama p1 users?

from all the research i've done, it looks as if the push 1 is a lot more featured.

[lunardigs]

... So they hit whatever button was for the velocity assignment which activated the modulation learn I guess, like what happens when you click a mod icon in the software, and then turn the knob on the hardware assigning the mod amount for that control, just like you’d adjust the mod depth on the control in software. Seems like a straight forward system and seems like it would be doable on any control surface as long as a modulators assign button can be triggered from the control surface, which it should be like any other on/off button.

Yeah, you can do that for sure. Although, with the way Bitwig has rethought their "Remote Controls", that manner of doing things is now rudimentary.

To get a good idea, take a look at the "Remote Controls Editor". Any given Device has a Remote Controls which can be assigned on a Device basis (see my screenshot of how I did this U-he Satin) or even a Preset basis.

The realization of this, with a controller like Push or the P1, is your eight knob (or more) controller can discretely control many different Devices, whereby an unlimited number of parameters can be paged through--all while showing you an LCD readout.

In practice, it works quite well. I must say this is a very nicely designed area of BWS. Furthermore, when you consider the possibility of what can be done with those eight knob pages ... Basically, each page could be thought of as a consolidated, front-end control/view of what could be a very complex Macro/Modulator setup--all attached to one knob, perhaps!

Btw, to reveal the "Remote Controls Editor", click the little wrench icon, right-hand side of the pager box in the Remote Controls view of any given device.

To cinch the main question up, the short answer is yes, you can assign Push knobs in the above described way, or in an ad-hoc manner (learn/assign = static function). The Remote Controls concept though is quite elegant if you ask me. I would imagine Nektar has provided for this too, just as Moss has done.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I'm not talking about assigning controls to hardware. Everything does that. I'm talking about assigning modulators to controls. When you click that little blue arrow thing and then you click controls and dial in the blue modulation amount over the parameter range you want. I know for sure that hardware can turn on the modulation assignment mode, however it doesn't seem like you can then assign the modulation amount from hardware, you have to assign that through software. And this I find strange. If you can activate assign mode, then wouldn't it make sense that turning the knob on hardware would assign the mod amount rather than turning the control itself?

[lunardigs]

The Remote Controls can control Modulators, and your hardware can control Remote Controls, on per device basis.

Does that make sense?

Moreover, a Remote Control can macro-control multiple Modulators/parameter at once.

[zfigz]

I have a good deal of experience with Push 1 & 2. With these there's good integration and play-ability.

Other than the nice looking screen and better pads, I'm assuming once Bitwig opens the API up that Moss (or whomever) will be able to take advantage of Push 2's screen. Hmm..

[lunardigs]

I have a good deal of experience with Push 1 & 2. With these there's good integration and play-ability.

Other than the nice looking screen and better pads, I'm assuming once Bitwig opens the API up that Moss (or whomever) will be able to take advantage of Push 2's screen. Hmm..

Moss has got the Push 2 screen working great--you can even use ANY of your system fonts!

Btw, the Bitwig API is open and so is the Ableton Push API.

[zfigz]

I understand that it works, but not to edit samples etc. I thought I had read somewhere that things like sample editing might be possible if Bitwig opened their API up.

[pdxindy]

The Remote Controls can control Modulators, and your hardware can control Remote Controls, on per device basis.

Does that make sense?

Moreover, a Remote Control can macro-control multiple Modulators/parameter at once.

He doesn't just want to control it from hardware, but assign it in the first place

[lunardigs]

I understand that it works, but not to edit samples etc. I thought I had read somewhere that things like sample editing might be possible if Bitwig opened their API up.

Okay, I think I understand you now ... Bitwig hasn't expanded the public API into sample/sampler/clip editing yet, that I'm aware of. Yet, you can adjust the play/loop start/end/length of clips from Push4Bitwig; it's a numeric readout.

Rendering waveforms to controller screens and manipulation thereof isn't available yet.

[lunardigs]

The Remote Controls can control Modulators, and your hardware can control Remote Controls, on per device basis.

Does that make sense?

Moreover, a Remote Control can macro-control multiple Modulators/parameter at once.

He doesn't just want to control it from hardware, but assign it in the first place

The answer is no.

Btw, I've never used Push with Ableton, so I cannot say how they differ. That said, I've never needed to assign Modulators from Push on the fly. I can imagine a few cases where this might be useful, but I wouldn't use it to design an effect--mangling samples on the otherhand would be useful. Although, anything more complex, give me a fullscreen monitor.

Can you tell me a good use case here that I'm not seeing?

[lunardigs]

I understand that it works, but not to edit samples etc. I thought I had read somewhere that things like sample editing might be possible if Bitwig opened their API up.

[lunardigs]

Btw, a good touchscreen might be the best controller for Bitwig presently. I know it's not the same as Push, etc., but they did a good job here.