KVR Audio

geronimo · Post by **geronimo** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:04 am

Still place for a Delay command to each of the two LFOs, perhaps and with possibility to modulate it ?

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:22 am

Yep delay times are wrong .
Triplet modes are wrongly calculated 1/4T should play Three quarter notes over a duration o 2 quarter notes which is not the case
Also 1/4 is played as 1/2 .

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:54 am

olikana wrote:the added ADSR ruined it for me as it makes it unusable on Surface and any touch device. too crammed now to interact with fingers.
...

To me the 3rd regular ADSR means thousands of new/different possible patches that could not be made before though.

Otoh maybe the cursor width can still be adjusted so that it's easier with touch devices ?

nordickvr · Post by **nordickvr** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:10 pm

Lotuzia wrote:...
To me the 3rd regular ADSR means thousands of new/different possible patches that could not be made before though.
...

+ 1000!

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:33 pm

A slider for a more exponential decay for the filter envelope ( like zebra 2 ).
This is how it is currently , different filter envelope decay legths

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:39 pm

phase slider on osc3 still does nothing , no phase shift whatsoever
edit
it does work , but on note-on messages only , whereas osc1/2 phase shift occurs instanteneously .

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:50 pm

Lotuzia wrote:
olikana wrote:the added ADSR ruined it for me as it makes it unusable on Surface and any touch device. too crammed now to interact with fingers.
...
To me the 3rd regular ADSR means thousands of new/different possible patches that could not be made before though.

Otoh maybe the cursor width can still be adjusted so that it's easier with touch devices ?

For Surface Pro with this new added ADSR the synth has become unusable.Even on the touchscreen monitor it's a struggle.
It already had a 3rd Envelope, the drawable one works just as good.
plus the LFOs have retriggers so they can be used as envelopes too.
If you really need so many envelopes your DAW should provide all the extra envelopes you need.
Maybe more envs and lfos could also be thrown into a tab section.
For a semi-modular 3 envelopes is generally enough though, and if the drawable env can also loop...then it would be 3 ENV 3 LFOs.
Of course if there was a way to fit the 3 ADSRs properly and not just crammed/squeezed in then I'd be all in favour.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:52 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:This is how it is currently , different filter envelope decay legths

These are strange envelopes. Here are two of "the real world":

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:02 pm

olikana wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:
olikana wrote:the added ADSR ruined it for me as it makes it unusable on Surface and any touch device. too crammed now to interact with fingers.
...
To me the 3rd regular ADSR means thousands of new/different possible patches that could not be made before though.

Otoh maybe the cursor width can still be adjusted so that it's easier with touch devices ?
For Surface Pro with this new added ADSR the synth has become unusable.Even on the touchscreen monitor it's a struggle.
It already had a 3rd Envelope, the drawable one works just as good.
plus the LFOs have retriggers so they can be used as envelopes too.
If you really need so many envelopes your DAW should provide all the extra envelopes you may need.
Maybe more envs and lfos could also be thrown into a tab section.
For a semi-modular 3 envelopes is enough though, and if the drawable env can also loop...then it would be 3 ENV or 3 LFOs. Just right for such synth IMO.

Well, an LFO is not an EG, even if it had a one shot mode.

A 3rd regular EG (So that make 4 EG with the mod EG) is usefull for me, for a number of tasks (as the 2 first ones are usually assigned to the gain and filter shaping).
YMMV

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:12 pm

Of course if there was a way to fit the 3 ADSRs properly and not just crammed/squeezed in then I'd be all in favour. But as they are now, your suggestion has broken the synth for me and for any touch screen user.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:17 pm

olikana wrote:Of course if there was a way to fit the 3 ADSRs properly and not just crammed/squeezed in then I'd be all in favour. But as they are now, your suggestion has broken the synth for me and for any touch screen user.

Would the rearranged envelopes work that I posted 1 or 2 pages ago?

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:18 pm

nordickvr wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:...
To me the 3rd regular ADSR means thousands of new/different possible patches that could not be made before though.
...
+ 1000!

+10.000!

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:26 pm

olikana wrote:Of course if there was a way to fit the 3 ADSRs properly and not just crammed/squeezed in then I'd be all in favour. But as they are now, your suggestion has broken the synth for me and for any touch screen user.

I certainly hope a solution is possible so that everybody is happy.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:27 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
olikana wrote:Of course if there was a way to fit the 3 ADSRs properly and not just crammed/squeezed in then I'd be all in favour. But as they are now, your suggestion has broken the synth for me and for any touch screen user.
Would the rearranged envelopes work that I posted 1 or 2 pages ago?

yup, I think so

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:46 pm

olikana wrote:Of course if there was a way to fit the 3 ADSRs properly and not just crammed/squeezed in then I'd be all in favour. But as they are now, your suggestion has broken the synth for me and for any touch screen user.

At least, not for me. In addition to my laptop and my desktop computer I use a tablet which is a touchscreen tablet using a dual-boot Android 5.1 and Windows 10 with a resolution up to 1920x1200 (I set it to 1680x1050 when I use it to play music in my DAW)... and I have no problem with it to use the ADSR controls of TAL-Mod. Even with the new 1.0.4 version of TAL-Mod.

But I can understand that it could be an issue for others, of course.

Off-Topic
In addition, when I use my desktop or my laptop I also use an excellent touchscreen controller on my tablet (this time, connected as a USB MIDI controller to the main computer), this one:
XotoPad
And there is also a freeware edition:
Isopad

TAL Mod