How To Apply Parallel Compression Mix Trick of Andrew Scheps called Rear Bus Technique In Waveform

[Ash360]

Hi folks

Using Waveform ... have used a rack on the Master Channel to get round the limit of four plugins ~ required five plugins. Got me into racks and their possibilities
I wanted to apply the parallel compression mix trick of Andrew Scheps that he calls the 'Rear Bus' technique that makes a mix more punchy and vital.
Quick Video:
Basically involves taking a post fader send of every track (except drums) to a stereo aux track ~ essentially creating a copy of the whole mix. Then apply serious compression to this aux track and bleed this back into the overall mix i.e. its output is the same as all the other tracks ~ going to the final mixbus.

In Waveform ....

I can see how to do a post fader using the Aux Send Plugin but a "New Track" I have added has no way of identifying it as a Bus. I can't select all the tracks and give them a track destination to the track Stereo Aux ... because then only the Stereo Aux track will be going to the Master Channel ... all the individual tracks will be routed to the Stereo Aux track. Is there a way to allow tracks to route to two destinations in Waveform?

Then I looked at racks and tried to throw in a parallel compressor into the chain but I'm missing something ... doesn't seem to work.



Where would you start with this in Waveform/tracktion. Be very grateful for any ideas.

Many Thanks ... my first post ... just joined

Regards mark

[chico.co.uk]

Put the same send plugin after the volume on all your tracks
Put a return plugin on another track, as the first filter. That's then your bus. Put your compressor after the return. Put a volume after that, mix to taste.
You're done.

[klangbastler]

yes, the missing piece for your stereo aux track, is the aux return plugin.

[jochicago]

Sounds like you are trying to apply parallel compression to the master bus. Options:

1. As stated, put sends on all your tracks, and put a receive on a new track
2. Use a compressor that supports parallel processing within (a dry/wet selector)

For #2, true to form why not use the Scheps Omni plugin. The compressor itself has mix and output controls, so no need to create a copy of the master bus because the plugin is doing that within.

schepsomnicomp.jpg

Also, on the free side ReaComp has a wet/dry mixer:
https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

[PierreG]

My understanding is that Aux Sends / Returns are NOT latency compensated in Waveform, thus I don't use them for busing.

What works very well, and is compensated, is the Stereo Pass Through rack.

Here's it's Readme text:

Stereo Pass Thru

Great for: Aux Sends/Returns

Can be used for advanced send and return routing. Put a Stereo Pass Thru on a track as a send with its Dry Setting at Max, and Wet setting at Min.

Place another instance on a return track with the opposite Dry/Wet sendings. It will act as an stereo aux send.

[scalawag]

Well, we also can start wondering why the 4 plugins limitation on the Master?

[klangbastler]

Well, we also can start wondering why the 4 plugins limitation on the Master?

oh yes ...

could really be removed

[klangbastler]

My understanding is that Aux Sends / Returns are NOT latency compensated in Waveform, thus I don't use them for busing.

What works very well, and is compensated, is the Stereo Pass Through rack.

Here's it's Readme text:

Stereo Pass Thru

Great for: Aux Sends/Returns

Can be used for advanced send and return routing. Put a Stereo Pass Thru on a track as a send with its Dry Setting at Max, and Wet setting at Min.

Place another instance on a return track with the opposite Dry/Wet sendings. It will act as an stereo aux send.

thanks for the reminder!
i often forget about that option ...

[chico.co.uk]

If you've got ten tracks, and you're trying to bus them all to an eleventh track, to do parallel compression, so you add the stereo pass through plugin to the ten tracks, you've just bussed the audio from each track to each of the other tracks, which isnt what you want to do...

So I would use the send and return plugins. Are we sure they're definitely not latency compensated?

[jochicago]

Well, we also can start wondering why the 4 plugins limitation on the Master?

oh yes ...

could really be removed

I think it might be an issue with processing bottleneck. The master bus jams pretty quickly if you load it with plugins. I can jam mine with 2 tube saturators.

I've had better results outputting every track to a final track, and applying all my mastering there. A great advantage with this workflow is that I can put a freeze at the start of the final track, thus freezing the entire project up to that point, then I can go crazy on the "mastering" track without worrying about performance.

[Trancit]

My understanding is that Aux Sends / Returns are NOT latency compensated in Waveform, thus I don't use them for busing.

What works very well, and is compensated, is the Stereo Pass Through rack.

Here on my side it´s not compensated...

I tried with a kick...

I put the stereo pass through rack on the kick track with dry at 0db and wet at inf db...
I dragged a second instance on track 2 (first place) with full wet and no dry signal...

Everything in sync...

Then I placed a high latency plugin on track 2 after the second instance of the pass through rack...
Played the sequencer ... not compensated at all... double hits

Even if I put the latency plugin into the rack it´s not compensated...

[dRowAudio]

My understanding is that Aux Sends / Returns are NOT latency compensated in Waveform, thus I don't use them for busing.

This is incorrect. They are correctly compensated for as long as you are only using a single bus type element on a track (i.e. aux send/receive, Rack with multiple instances or track to track input device).

For all but the most complex cases latency should be correctly compensated for.

[Trancit]

My understanding is that Aux Sends / Returns are NOT latency compensated in Waveform, thus I don't use them for busing.

This is incorrect. They are correctly compensated for as long as you are only using a single bus type element on a track (i.e. aux send/receive, Rack with multiple instances or track to track input device).

For all but the most complex cases latency should be correctly compensated for.

I don´t understand what you are saying, but here at least the aux return track isn´t compensated (having a latency plugin on this track)... or I am doing something wrong...

[chico.co.uk]

When you say "a high latency plugin", which plugin are you talking about?

[Trancit]

When you say "a high latency plugin", which plugin are you talking about?

I tried with Fabfilter Pro-Q2 in linear phase mode medium... 5120 samples latency