Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

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3ee
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3611 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Post Wed May 09, 2018 2:27 pm

Hello! :)

So, I'm ready to upgrade my headphones to a superior quality/price-range.
3rd day in a row so far scouting the internet on opinions and reviews...

I want fairly, fairly neutral and detailed sound (The AKG K-612 Pros served me well but some bumps and spikes in the spectrum progressively in the high-mids and highs made me question them + a precise EQ correction I did on them seems to color the sound a bit due to phase distortion I guess, also even though the bass is tight and not really lacking, the punch isn't quite there)

I will still probably do a tiny bit of EQ correction but I want it to be more broad and subtle... anyway

I'm leaning more to the Sennheiser HD-600 than the Beyerdynamic DT-880 Pro (250 ohm)
price: 260 vs 180 euros so there's quite a difference.

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I can't try them but from the info gathered:

the HD-600 is more neutral and "legendary" FWIW :D but very small yet accurate sound-stage (how does that translate into real life working scenario? )
the DT-880 Pros have a bit more extended bass (but not really that tight/solid in nature), the highs are more pronounced which is not really a good point but they supposed to be more detailed overall?!


I will drive them with my Audient iD4 (also will try the headphone amp on my Munro Sonic Egg 150 system) Hopefully I won't need a separate amp, the Audient iD4 headphone amp is known to be pretty hot so.. :phones:

Any opinions or helpful tips will be greatly appreciated! :tu:

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BertKoor
KVRAF
10626 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Wed May 09, 2018 10:09 pm

Stop reading reviews and opinions online. Go to a real shop and listen to them. That's the only way to find the pair best for you. Or order a dozen only to send back all but one.
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452 posts since 19 Sep, 2017 from Planet Earth

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 10, 2018 11:06 am

HIFIMAN HE400i vs Monolith M1060

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
KVRAF
10513 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 10, 2018 11:12 am


3ee
KVRAF
3611 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 10, 2018 1:36 pm

those HE400i seem interesting.. so I guess planar-magnetic drivers for more detail and extended lows in general?

Man, those Audeze Mobius headphones look like they're from the future! :wow: :o

scottishraver
KVRist
246 posts since 17 Jul, 2008 from glasgow

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Sun May 13, 2018 8:14 am

BertKoor wrote:Stop reading reviews and opinions online. Go to a real shop and listen to them. That's the only way to find the pair best for you. Or order a dozen only to send back all but one.
What he said

I love my focal spirit pros and they have just brought out the updated listen professionals which look pretty sweet

Kaine
KVRAF
1761 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Wed May 16, 2018 12:28 am

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:Wait for these :shrug:
Got a set on my desk right now, I certainly prefer them over the EL8's that preceeded them at that price point for the tonal balance. An A/B with HiFi man I guess would be a worthy shootoff at that price point.

enroe
KVRian
791 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Wed May 16, 2018 10:20 am

3ee wrote: 'm leaning more to the Sennheiser HD-600 than the Beyerdynamic DT-880 Pro (250 ohm)
price: 260 vs 180 euros so there's quite a difference.

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I can't try them but from the info gathered:

the HD-600 is more neutral and "legendary" FWIW :D but very small yet accurate sound-stage (how does that translate into real life working scenario? )
the DT-880 Pros have a bit more extended bass (but not really that tight/solid in nature), the highs are more pronounced which is not really a good point but they supposed to be more detailed overall?!
With these two you have already a pretty good choice!

I remember the time I checked these headphones for myself, already
some years ago. And yes, I agree with the valuation you gathered here:
The DT880 Pro has a little more bass and also more treble. It sounds a
litte more "hifi-ish". But this kind of "hifi-ish" sound can be achieved
with every equalizer also.

Much more important is: How analytical is the headphone? Do you hear
the triangle half left behind the guitars? Can you seperate every single
voice of a choir which is spread in the panorama? These questions are
the true criteria - and these questions are also important to "fine-analyze"
your mix.

And for me - in this last category of analytics - the Sennheiser HD-600
won. It won with a small but reproductable distance.

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Last not least: Go into a shop where you can try both headphones -
and listen to your favourite songs - at least half an hour - better longer.
This way you can make your very own choice!

Good luck! :D
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452 posts since 19 Sep, 2017 from Planet Earth

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Post Wed May 16, 2018 10:50 am

Highly recommend Samson SR950 for any kind of critical listening - it's boring,it's flat,no color,funless,but man...resolution and details are brutal,sound is absolutely 'PRO' for mixind,mastering and sound design,probably it has more accurate reproduction than what you hear from good 500+ euro monitors used in home environment ...and the price 28-29 euro unbelievable hit :)Do not recomend for enthusiasts and hobbyists - not gonna like the sound at all.Cheerz :)

3ee
KVRAF
3611 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 17, 2018 4:46 am

Thanks guys, really appreciate your comments! :)
I'm very, VERY curious on the Sennheiser HD600 so I think I'll get those..

Samson SR950 is seemingly the Superlux HD669 ...

Superlux seems to dominate the cheap side of the market in terms of audio quality ..looking at them it's hard to think they are anything but good "quality" , I never heard any model from them but am curious... do they sound grainy with treble spikes I wonder?! :hihi:

They also make a pair for Presonus AFAIK, the HD7 model should be the Superlux HD681?

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Unaspected
KVRist
430 posts since 4 May, 2012

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 am

scottishraver wrote:
BertKoor wrote:Stop reading reviews and opinions online. Go to a real shop and listen to them. That's the only way to find the pair best for you. Or order a dozen only to send back all but one.
What he said
Absolutely.

If you're using headphones for live tracking then you don't need to worry about anything other than bleed. But if you're using headphones for critical listening then you'll want to assess them as you would with studio monitors and try them out.

keel
KVRian
702 posts since 27 Oct, 2004 from Inside the kick drum

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 17, 2018 10:34 am

Audio Technica M40x. I bough these based on these videos. Source track doesn't change at all when it get on M40x. After using these couple years now, my mixes have never translate so good to monitors and other devices. These are truly awesome headphones :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udLoAV7YmjA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj69-mWHV3E

3ee
KVRAF
3611 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Thu May 17, 2018 11:07 am

keel... unfortunately, the SonicSensePro demos don't help much... People are constantly pointing out how different the products in the demo sound vs in reality and I confirm, some speakers and headphones I have and heard sound completely different.. especially headphones..

I considered the ATH-m40x some years ago but I ultimately got the AKG K612 and I was happy with the choice, now I'm looking for "a bit" more, an upgrade ... the m40x doesn't seem like it in my case but still an interesting headphone especially for the price, I'd like to give it a try on day :)

coltpeacemaker
KVRer
26 posts since 5 Jun, 2015 from Perth Australia

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Fri May 18, 2018 1:52 am

Best headphones are the Audiotechnia ATH M50x bar none!! These are what i use and they are awesome! Go online check the reviews everyone says these are the best http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/a ... a-ath-m50x

https://www.soundguys.com/audio-technica-ath-m50x-592/

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KVRist
452 posts since 19 Sep, 2017 from Planet Earth

Re: Mixing/Mastering Headphones: HD-600 or DT-880 Pro or..?

Post Fri May 18, 2018 9:29 am

ATH M50x seems like best choice around 150 eu ...for closed back,if budget is tight Samson SR950 is surprise for less than 30eu :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hbjKuRDX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WN1Ld-gT84

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