Urs & Co. (Please release a full blown wavetable synth already)

[Cinebient]

Well that's kinda inherent with drawable waveforms I think. It's a digital technology. You can't draw certain analog sounding characteristics.

Maybe. I felt like the filters lack a warm character as well though.

That´s what i thought too. Curve is great but the filters don´t do it really.

[Shiek927]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable synthesis you could ever ask for imo ^^.

[Cinebient]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable synthesis you could ever ask for imo ^^.

And still i prefer Icarus over Serum.
And even more interesting is a kind of advanced wavetable synthesis (if you can say this) like in PPG Infinite Pro.....but then i bought them all and don´t use them often.
maybe time to sell all that stuff

[Shiek927]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable synthesis you could ever ask for imo ^^.

And still i prefer Icarus over Serum.
And even more interesting is a kind of advanced wavetable synthesis (if you can say this) like in PPG Infinite Pro.....but then i bought them all and don´t use them often.
maybe time to sell all that stuff

Haha, nothing ever wrong with sticking with what you actually use! ^^

[chk071]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable you could ever ask for imo ^^.

Minimum requirement on a wavetable synthesizer would be for me that it smoothly interpolates between the waveforms. Serum doesn't to that, AFAIK. Bummer.

[wagtunes]

I find something unique and interesting in every wavetable synth I own. But I'm also pretty easy to please. If I can see it and it doesn't crash, I'm a happy camper.

[chk071]

That reminds me that Waldorf never got back to me when i wrote them that Largo's, PPG's and Nave's GUI should be resizable. Besterds.

Not that i assume it is very easy to do so, otherwise i guess they'd already have done that.

[fluffy_little_something]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable you could ever ask for imo ^^.

Minimum requirement on a wavetable synthesizer would be for me that it smoothly interpolates between the waveforms. Serum doesn't to that, AFAIK. Bummer.

If it doesn't, I assume it leads to lots of tiny jumps which might make the sound a bit harsh, right?
While drawing one's own waveforms might be fun for some people, I think one has to gain experience in associating the way a waveform looks with the way it sounds. Only then does it become constructive and intuitive.

Anyway, I also thought there were more than enough wavetable synths out there already.

[chk071]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable you could ever ask for imo ^^.

Minimum requirement on a wavetable synthesizer would be for me that it smoothly interpolates between the waveforms. Serum doesn't to that, AFAIK. Bummer.

If it doesn't, I assume it leads to lots of tiny jumps which might make the sound a bit harsh, right?

I think Serum has, like Electra and Dune 1, some kind of smoothing going on between the waveforms, but, it simply doesn't feature as many intermediate forms as, say, the Waldorf synths. On Largo e.g., the interpolation between the waveforms in a wavetable is perfectly smooth, and, i think, on Dune 2 as well.

Edit: Hm.. looking at those synths, i rather think that the ones with smooth interpolation seem to have waveforms which are fairly similar in the wavetables, hence probably Urs' argument that you need many similar sounding waves to smoothly interpolate.

[bmrzycki]

Zebra and http://synthtech.com/waveedit/ are all I need to explore wavetable synthesis. The tool imports serum wavs and exports zebra osc presets. The editor is open source and has a ton of options to make all sorts of fun transitions.

[Winstontaneous]

Zebra and http://synthtech.com/waveedit/ are all I need to explore wavetable synthesis. The tool imports serum wavs and exports zebra osc presets. The editor is open source and has a ton of options to make all sorts of fun transitions.

Interesting, thanks!

[spunkmuffin]

Also, a wavetable synth is a way of giving users tons of waveforms without having a long long list to choose from one by one.

I have never thought of a wave table as a preset management system before.

I did some crazy modulations with some super synths and playing with different noise etc. and after 30 minutes i realized that i had much better results when i just recorded the toilet flushing and imported that in a tiny iOS synth which can load 32 sound sources and do kind of vector synthesis on steroids.

Aah yes the good old 'record the toilet flushing' trick. It's sad so few people appreciate the musical abilities of toilet bowls and cistern systems.

[pdxindy]

Samples as OSC (and as modulator source) are what i would like to have also in every synth.
I did some crazy modulations with some super synths and playing with different noise etc. and after 30 minutes i realized that i had much better results when i just recorded the toilet flushing and imported that in a tiny iOS synth which can load 32 sound sources and do kind of vector synthesis on steroids.
It´s not always about the best filters, raw OSC´s and FX (in this case i still prefer P900 over everything else yet), sometimes it´s just simple to get a unique sounds without all that bells and whistles.
Not sure why but recently i find most new desktop synths a bit boring and especially no fun to use. I even was shocked about myself that i´m more interested in a hopefully soon coming new iOS synth than Zebra 3 (i will get for free).
Yeah, i know it sounds crazy, but it is like it is. Of course in a month i could think the opposite again
Midlife crisis and so....

what's iOS?

[pdxindy]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable you could ever ask for imo ^^.

Minimum requirement on a wavetable synthesizer would be for me that it smoothly interpolates between the waveforms. Serum doesn't to that, AFAIK. Bummer.

I couldn't believe it when I first discovered that Serum cannot interpolate between waves. I thought that was such a basic wavetable function. I also don't particularly like Serums re-synthesis.

[pdxindy]

Xfer Serum has all the wavetable you could ever ask for imo ^^.

Minimum requirement on a wavetable synthesizer would be for me that it smoothly interpolates between the waveforms. Serum doesn't to that, AFAIK. Bummer.

If it doesn't, I assume it leads to lots of tiny jumps which might make the sound a bit harsh, right?

I think Serum has, like Electra and Dune 1, some kind of smoothing going on between the waveforms, but, it simply doesn't feature as many intermediate forms as, say, the Waldorf synths. On Largo e.g., the interpolation between the waveforms in a wavetable is perfectly smooth, and, i think, on Dune 2 as well.

Edit: Hm.. looking at those synths, i rather think that the ones with smooth interpolation seem to have waveforms which are fairly similar in the wavetables, hence probably Urs' argument that you need many similar sounding waves to smoothly interpolate.

Serum has hard jumps between waves. If there is some sort of smoothing, it is just to prevent clicks.

Icarus has a parameter to control interpolation. So it can go from hard jumps to smooth.

I wouldn't mind a simple u-he wavetable synth that had the RePro filter plus a couple unison wavetable osc's that could do some resynthesis. But maybe Zebra 3 will cover that (besides being simple)