What is coming from Melda? MYYY?

[Mr D]

double post

[Chandlerhimself]

Mr D - When the resonance is off it cuts further into the lower frequencies. I believe neutral is closer to 30%. If I use the 12db filter and set the resonance to 30% there is no audible sound difference between on a off. I don't know if 30% is the exact number, but its pretty close. Its the same as any other filter. If you turn the resonance down it will cut much lower than the stated frequency. The default 40 is higher than normal, but 0 is too low and the fact that it cuts the lower frequencies is the expected behavior(At least it is for me, but I guess that's just an opinion).

I tested going all the way down with 0 resonance and you are right there is a little bit of sound still produced. I can't hear it in most cases, but its there is you look at the meters or an analyzer. However when I checked Synthmaster, Z3ta-2, Harmor and Rapture they all do the same thing. None of them reduce the sound to 0 they just reduce it to around -50 to -60. For me that's more than good enough and if you want more you can just use the amp envelope. I don't have all the synths available, but none of the ones I have will cut sound below -60 with 0 resonance and a 12db filter. If you know one feel free to mention it, but that doesn't seem to be typical behavior.

I don't know if that helps or not. To be honest I'd like better filters too if they add something, but I haven't heard filters that sound so much better that they need to be added. Devlopment time is limited and I'm sure all of us want MYYY sooner rather than later.

[andy-cytomic]

How about "Meldular"?

About the filters: they just don't sound that great. Serum filters sound better. I'm not a DSP Guru so couldn't tell you why. I spent many hours trying to get the MPowerSynth to sound like Serum filters and simply couldn't do it. I'm talking about basic, bread and butter, 6/12/18/24 low pass filters.

Also part of the problem is the ADSR for the filter won't modulate the filter over a wide enough range, so you can't get those very precise, plucky sounds. The MOD ENV. will give you a wider ranger, but that's not a per voice envelope. But with the dedicated ADSR, you can't, for example, modulate the filter from fully open to fully closed (silence). To do that, you need to bump up the resonance, bt that's not what you always want.

I heard that the Serum filters were actually designed by Andy at Cytomic, so apparently it's no small undertaking to make hi-end filters.

Just wanted to clear this up a little. I coded the filters in Serum about 20 years ago under the name Vellocet. I later licensed the algorithms to Steve, and even later really started getting deep into analog modelling and formed Cytomic. So, more accurately, the filters were designed by Andy at Vellocet, who later started Cytomic. I'm still pretty happy with how they sound considering how low cpu use is and how basic the algorithms are, but best of all is people still prefer them to recent offerings even though I did the work 20 years ago! The filters in The Drop and upcoming synth are a completely different beast, the only thing in common is I used the best of my ability at the time to write them, and I've learnt a lot in 20 years

[t3toooo]

Just wanted to clear this up a little. I coded the filters in Serum about 20 years ago

Did you code all filters in Serum or just the basic filters?

[andy-cytomic]

I coded a bunch of filters for Vellocet's VFilter plugin, which I later licensed to Steve for his LFO tool, and then later on again licensed to use in Serum. Here is a copy and paste from the header file of all the VFilter filter types. Steve left out all the "link" versions since his modulation in Serum can already make the twin filters linked if you use the same modulation on each:

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MoogL6 = 0,
MoogL12,
MoogL18,
MoogL24,
L6,
L12,
L18,
L24,
H6,
H12,
H18,
H24,
B12,
B24,
P12,
P24,
N12,
N24,
LH6,
LH6Link,
LH12,
LH12Link,
LB12,
LB12Link,
LP12,
LP12Link,
LN12,
LN12Link,
HB12,
HB12Link,
HP12,
HP12Link,
HN12,
HN12Link,
BP12,
BP12Link,
BN12,
BN12Link,
PP12,
PP12Link,
PN12,
PN12Link,
NN12,
NN12Link,
LBH12,
LBH24,
LPH12,
LPH24,
LNH12,
LNH24,
BPN12,
BPN24,
CombP,
CombN,
CombL6P,
CombL6N,
CombH6P,
CombH6N,
CombHL6P,
CombHL6N,
FlangeP,
FlangeN,
FlangeL6P,
FlangeL6N,
FlangeH6P,
FlangeH6N,
FlangeHL6P,
FlangeHL6N,
Phase12P,
Phase12N,
Phase24P,
Phase24N,
Phase36P,
Phase36N,
Phase48P,
Phase48N,
Phase48L6P,
Phase48L6N,
Phase48H6P,
Phase48H6N,
Phase48HL6P,
Phase48HL6N,
FlangePhase12HL6P,
FlangePhase12HL6N,
LEQ6,
LEQ12,
BEQ12,
HEQ6,
HEQ12,
RM,
RMT,
SNH1,
SNH2,
Combs,
Allpasses,
Reverb1,

[t3toooo]

That's impressive,thank you.

[nichttuntun]

Hi guys,
sounds cool even if I have no clue what it will be. But I absolutely love MXXX(Core) and if this becomes something similar only as a synth-system, I will love this one too.

Questions for Vojtech:
Will this "MYYY" be a closed synth-system like MPowersynth where you can everything inside right from the start? Or will it rather be a system like MXXXCore where you have to buy modules to use them within MYYY?

I´d rather see a closed modular system which will expand with updates over the years than a second money burning machine

Could you already give some hints what will be so special and what you can do with it what will stand out against other VST-modular or semi-modular synths?

Thank you in advance. Cheers

[MeldaProduction]

Hi there , well, MXXX itself is wha you call "closed modular system", it's just the Core version that is cheap, but potentially a money burning machine . MXXX needed to be that expensive as it essentially makes our entire arsenal obsolete .

As for MYYY, the development didn't start yet, but let's just say it will be awesome

[nichttuntun]

Hi there , well, MXXX itself is wha you call "closed modular system", it's just the Core version that is cheap, but potentially a money burning machine . MXXX needed to be that expensive as it essentially makes our entire arsenal obsolete .

As for MYYY, the development didn't start yet, but let's just say it will be awesome

Haha. I can understand that. I got most modules now for MXXXCore and it just amazing. Absolutely awesomeness. And if MYYY will get there somehow I guess it will be awesome too I even would party more if I knew you would make it purse-friendly

Thank you for the information on MYYY. But I really want to know how the architecture there will be? A closed modular system? Or open like MXXXCore where you have to buy all the modules? I hope not

The best to you. Joyful developing.

[werzel]

Purse-friendly? Have you looked into the subscriptions?
Here's a link https://www.meldaproduction.com/about/subscriptions

Vojtek - There isn't anything regarding the subscription method on the home page. I actually had to dig a bit to find it to post the link. Perhaps it should be on the home page?

[nichttuntun]

Purse-friendly? Have you looked into the subscriptions?
Here's a link https://www.meldaproduction.com/about/subscriptions

Vojtek - There isn't anything regarding the subscription method on the home page. I actually had to dig a bit to find it to post the link. Perhaps it should be on the home page?

Hi. Subscription isn´t my cup of tea. When I save the money for round about 2 years I can already buy the Everything bundle (only the upgrade price) and never have to pay again and "own" the stuff actually.

The more I use Melda the more I love it and I start to miss features in other products ... and I will have to upgrade to that CompleteBundle for sure one day anyway

MXXX alone is unparalled I just made a patch this evening with a piano as a base sound and I thought David Sylvian himself visited my home-studio to tweak some sounds for a new record. I only scratched a bit of the surface and its just amazing.


And still that doesn´t answer my question about the MYYY system architechture.

[werzel]

You just described what the subscription plan is, a payment plan in installments that stops once you reach the final goal (ownership of all Melda pluggies, past and future).

As for MYYY, Vojtek only tell me what he wants me to know. We have that kind of relationship.

[nichttuntun]

You just described what the subscription plan is, a payment plan in installments that stops once you reach the final goal (ownership of all Melda pluggies, past and future).

As for MYYY, Vojtek only tell me what he wants me to know. We have that kind of relationship.

Wow. Thank you. I read this. I didn´t know. I am in guys
Really that the monthly rates are piling up and that this money isn´t lost and in the end you own every now and future plugin...amazing I couldn´t believe that.

Vojtech can you confirm this briefly and that this includes actually ALL plugins even future ones and that in the end the payment is over and you own everything without further payment AND for a lifetime? PLUS all plugins in addition which will come after payment reached its end? As said, can´t believe...

[Paulnz]

It's all explained here:

https://www.meldaproduction.com/about/subscriptions

[nichttuntun]

It's all explained here:

https://www.meldaproduction.com/about/subscriptions

I read that and still have some doubts and questions.