I understand what hard sync is, but I'm curious why hard sync is so CPU intensive? Is it because a good hard sync implementation requires dealing with lots of potential aliasing issues?Urs wrote:Or... because the new shit is already a massive addition.EvilDragon wrote:Probably ain't happening because of the "low CPU" requirement Hive needs to have.
Hive 1.1 latest build - revision 7485
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Exactamundo. Hard sync by design creates a lot of discontinuities in the waveforms, which then requires lots of oversampling to reduce aliasing.
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- u-he
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
Thanks -- makes sense. I figured it was the aliasing. But it seems like a very-much requested feature, and since Hive is now evolving into its next phase of awesomeness (Thank you Urs! Can't wait! That's why I finally bought it! Go U-he!), maybe it's worth implementing hard sync soon? I mean, it could continue the tradition of different CPU modes in U-he plugins, and have a noisier low-CPU mode and a divine alias-free CPU beast mode?
Just think about how much more awesome Hive is going to become? With all the new waveform magic Urs is talking about, plus hard sync, just imagine!
And BTW, Urs, do you have a name for your new top secret waveform algorithm yet? If not, how about: transwave, or metawave, or u-wave? It needs a name.
Just think about how much more awesome Hive is going to become? With all the new waveform magic Urs is talking about, plus hard sync, just imagine!
And BTW, Urs, do you have a name for your new top secret waveform algorithm yet? If not, how about: transwave, or metawave, or u-wave? It needs a name.
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- KVRian
- 886 posts since 14 May, 2014
Hard Sync isn't necessarily a requirement. I know it can be used to create more 'edgier' timbres, but if you can create really wild and crazy stuff, it's a bit redundant isn't it? 
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- u-he
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
My initial experiments show that the stuff I'm working on can be really edgy. In a good wayShiek927 wrote:Hard Sync isn't necessarily a requirement. I know it can be used to create more 'edgier' timbres, but if you can create really wild and crazy stuff, it's a bit redundant isn't it?
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
Bring it on!Urs wrote:My initial experiments show that the stuff I'm working on can be really edgy. In a good wayShiek927 wrote:Hard Sync isn't necessarily a requirement. I know it can be used to create more 'edgier' timbres, but if you can create really wild and crazy stuff, it's a bit redundant isn't it?
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- u-he
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I have a roadmap including 3 or 4 .x updates. The stuff I currently work on will certainly make it into 1.2, so roughly late summer/early autumn. The basic principle is already working very well. What's open is whether or not a specific novel (I think...) synthesis technology can be applied to it as well.ionekvr wrote:Bring it on!Urs wrote:My initial experiments show that the stuff I'm working on can be really edgy. In a good wayShiek927 wrote:Hard Sync isn't necessarily a requirement. I know it can be used to create more 'edgier' timbres, but if you can create really wild and crazy stuff, it's a bit redundant isn't it?
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
Sounds great -- very exciting that you've got killer plans for Hive! So glad I bought it! BTW, when do you expect 1.1 to be final? I know you mention 1.1 7485 is production-worthy, but 1.1 3898 is still the one listed on the website.
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- u-he
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Hehehe, there won't be an official 1.1.x update. We posted this version to fix the file ordering issue in High Sierra while we're working on final preset tagging, NKS and the new waveforms feature. So that, however long latter takes, people can already benefit from the new file browser and all that...
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- KVRian
- 969 posts since 5 Sep, 2014 from Heaven
Master, what what might be this novel synthesis technology thou speaketh of?Urs wrote:The basic principle is already working very well. What's open is whether or not a specific novel (I think...) synthesis technology can be applied to it as well.
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Everything will be known in time.
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 23 Feb, 2005
Awesome. So the recommended install is to use this 1.1 7485 installer and then we can theoretically expect a 1.2 release with all the new magic sauce roughly late summer/early autumn, right?Urs wrote:Hehehe, there won't be an official 1.1.x update. We posted this version to fix the file ordering issue in High Sierra while we're working on final preset tagging, NKS and the new waveforms feature. So that, however long latter takes, people can already benefit from the new file browser and all that...
Take your time to perfect the new waveforms feature... okay, well, maybe not TOO long... it's going to be fantastic.
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- u-he
- 30206 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Yes.ionekvr wrote:Awesome. So the recommended install is to use this 1.1 7485 installer and then we can theoretically expect a 1.2 release with all the new magic sauce roughly late summer/early autumn, right?
You don't have to use 7485, but if you're on High Sierra you might definitely want to.
I'll try to finalise an example of magic sauce this week for a quick demonstration.