Sure. It's also always a waste of money renting power tools or leasing cars rather than purchasing them. Right?ATN69 wrote:my conclusion is that it's basically a waste of money to go for plugins and software..You don't own anything and you have few rights
Can I change the label reading to whom my U-he products are "registered to ..."?
- KVRian
- 574 posts since 20 Aug, 2013
- KVRAF
- 2110 posts since 5 Oct, 2015 from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong
Could be, depends on your needs I guess. The point is that I can't think of many other things that you pay for that actually gives you as little ownership and rights. After all, the developer can revoke the license at any time without any compensation what so ever.#rob wrote:Sure. It's also always a waste of money renting power tools or leasing cars rather than purchasing them. Right?ATN69 wrote:my conclusion is that it's basically a waste of money to go for plugins and software..You don't own anything and you have few rights
Having said that, I strongly believe in the partnership between developer and customer. I own every Uhe synth, including Presswerk and the relationship with Uhe has been great. What's good for the developer is hopefully good for me as a user and vice versa. Every time I purchased a license I hope it will help the developer to create new and nice software plugins. I really don't believe any developer would revoke a license without due cause and without solid evidence of wrong doing.
There has however been a case for me personally where I paid for a license and where the developer didn't give much support. They simply ignored most of my emails and the little support I got didn't solve the problem. Because of this the plugin was useless for me. It had to do with the licensing system that particular developer used. The license cost was fairly low (only $20) so I decided to walk away and decided never to buy anything from them ever again. No matter how you turn this I lost $20 for nothing. I could not sell the license or use it. I guess the $20 was a relatively cheap way to learn something about this business. If I bought a toaster, rented a car I could always go back to the shop or the owner and have it replaced, or money back
Win 10 -64bit, CPU i7-7700K, 32Gb, Focusrite 2i2, FL-studio 20, Studio One 4, Reason 10
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- KVRian
- 1374 posts since 30 Mar, 2011
Well, most of the time I saw "Sylenth registered by Air" it was on a channel where the guy obviously didn't give a damn about using cracked stuff...so it does not really always work.EvilDragon wrote:Public shaming is a pretty good way to go about it.
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1266 posts since 6 Jun, 2016
Remember, U-he is encumbered by various license agreements too, such as with Steinberg. As the terms of using VST goes, so must U-he. That's just one example. Good news is, to VST is LV2--MOD Devices is exploring this path right now.
In any case, I think the discussion is worthy--even though my initial question was answered early on and I was done. Yet, I'm a bit hooked still, because the larger idea which has emerged here, in my view, is realistic expectations. "Ownership" is not, or is rarely one such. Hell, even the founders of U-he don't own their company, or intellectual property created thereof--and this is the case with any corporation. Instead, as I understand it, as a business person myself, they're "equitable holders in due course", "trafficking commercial goods" with their "silent (business) partner", the state, who created (incorporated) them in the first place.
... and that's legal land. Which is a sort of hell we've created to solve all our problems and protect us. The good news though is that there's always alternatives. Without perspective though, no one might seek those alternative paths.
In any case, I think the discussion is worthy--even though my initial question was answered early on and I was done. Yet, I'm a bit hooked still, because the larger idea which has emerged here, in my view, is realistic expectations. "Ownership" is not, or is rarely one such. Hell, even the founders of U-he don't own their company, or intellectual property created thereof--and this is the case with any corporation. Instead, as I understand it, as a business person myself, they're "equitable holders in due course", "trafficking commercial goods" with their "silent (business) partner", the state, who created (incorporated) them in the first place.
... and that's legal land. Which is a sort of hell we've created to solve all our problems and protect us. The good news though is that there's always alternatives. Without perspective though, no one might seek those alternative paths.
- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
Apples & oranges.sleepcircle wrote:if, in 1983, Michael Crichton gets the idea for Jurassic Park while at a restaurant and writes the idea down on a complimentary restaurant napkin, the restaurant does not consequently own the entirety of the Jurassic Park franchise.lunardigs wrote:A strong argument could be made that C++, Python, PHP, etc. is "free" and thus what's created with it should be as well.
