u-he Colour Copy - public beta!

[hivkorn]

Can someone explaîn me , what is the difference with the other delays ? (Why bbd delay are special ? )

[sleepcircle]

@equinoxide and spunkmuffin

ahhh whoops, sorry—yeah, i didn't upload the wii sports tracks. i'm glad you liked the moon thing though, thank you

by the way, that weird heart-beat noise at the end of the track was actually an accident caused by a feedback loop, which I ended up really liking, so I didn't get rid of it.

[mevla]

As wunderbar as Bitwig is, Reaper is always going to be the best at hosting native-linux vsts. Even if you hatehatehate reaper, you needneedneed it. In sports, they call it home-field-advantage

One day one will have to explain to me what is this thing with people that makes them hate/love technical products. I have no idea. I can like tools. I like my table saw, my chop saw, even my currently rather cheap router table. They're pretty good and I can do things. I like Bitwig for creation and Mixbus32C for mixing. They're pretty good and I can do things.

I do not have the impression that Reaper works with clips in scenes that can subsequently be recorded into an Arranger. Maybe it does, I don't know. One thing that's pretty much certain: even if Reaper works with scenes and clips, I will not learn a new DAW when I haven't totally mastered the two I use. You know, I have music to create.

As I've said, for the Colour Copy, I'l just wait. I'm nowhere near to be able to fully use Melda's Spectral Delay that I got for free. Not to mention Echobode and Echomelt. And come to think of it, haven't used that much the Uhbik delay. Not to mention Harisson's Triple Delay. So it stands as pretty clear: I don't seem to be using delays that much, and have still stuff to learn with the ones I got.

This said, it's always nice to go ooooh at a new device, especially when it comes from such a high-quality and inspiring operation as u-he. But I'm not in a rush. If it would have worked with wine-staging and linvst as all other Windows plugins work, I would have said nice, let's try it. Since it doesn't then it's merely "ah well ...".

Will not learn a new, seemingly more limited DAW for that reason

Cheers.

[mevla]

Looks like we'll post the Linux beta tomorrow...

You mean waaaaay over there in that remote location ? Hmmmm... what's the name of that faraway place again ?

Cheers.

[3ee]

Can someone explaîn me , what is the difference with the other delays ? (Why bbd delay are special ? )

modulation is super smooth and has a certain character... i.e. BBD chorus
Try some chorus/flanger settings..

[u-he-william]

Can someone explaîn me , what is the difference with the other delays ? (Why bbd delay are special ? )

Sure.

BBD's aren't "special", they are just one of two common methods to implement a delay in hardware. The other big one is tape. I'll give you the TL;DR answer before going in detail:

BBDs work by speeding up or slowing down the signal in order to create different delay lengths. This speeding up and slowing down has the nice side effect of changing the pitch. So you can modulate the delay length (rate or rate+) without creating ugly artifacts. Instead, the signal simply is pitched up and down.

The technical description:

The usual digital delay uses a delay line with a fixed sample rate (the same you set up in your DAW) and the delay length is then determined by the length of the delay line (number or samples). Analog BBDs use a series of transistors that basically freeze a voltage for a short duration before passing the voltage on to the next transistor pair. (This is where the signal is delayed) However, you can't change the number of transistors used to change the overall delay time. Instead, the rate in which the voltage is passed from one transistor to another is changed. That would be like changing the sample rate in you DAW just to speed up the signal and thus decrease the delay time.

EDIT:
Some might have already facepalmed. The voltage is stored in capacitors and not transistors. Transistors don't store voltage. So one element in a BBD line consists of one capacitor and one semiconductor thingy that acts as a gate.

[Steve Helstrip]

Having lots of fun with this. I was happy to see the ducking section, but would for me this would be more useful if it ducked the effect level, not the feedback amount. Can this be an option at some stage?

Cheers

Steve

[Urs]

Thank you!

Having lots of fun with this. I was happy to see the ducking section, but would for me this would be more useful if it ducked the effect level, not the feedback amount. Can this be an option at some stage?

At some stage

(We'll collect feature requests and maybe do a survey once... I would like to minimise the amount of features we add in future versions... keep it simple and stuff...)

[EvilDragon]

What did prunes do wrong?

[ATN69]

What did prunes do wrong?

Gives you gas and stuff ..not a pretty thing!

[Delta Sign]

Finally had the time to check this out! I really like it so far!
It's indeed very good for lush chorus effects!

If you ever need to make a score for an 80s John Carpenter movie, look no further!
https://soundcloud.com/deltasign/colour-copy-test-01

[elxsound]

Thank you!

Having lots of fun with this. I was happy to see the ducking section, but would for me this would be more useful if it ducked the effect level, not the feedback amount. Can this be an option at some stage?

At some stage

(We'll collect feature requests and maybe do a survey once... I would like to minimise the amount of features we add in future versions... keep it simple and stuff...)

+1 Ducking the effect (wet mix) would be more beneficial to me (but ducking the feedback is also a cool tool, but I would use that less).

[Steve Helstrip]

For some reason, the regen/feedback has started cutting out randomly in my Cubase 9.5 session in Cubase, both vst2 and vst3 versions. I'm sure you're onto this, but thought I'd give it a mention. Alas, cannot use as it is...

[zvenx]

One day I will look for this explanation and can't find it.
Quoting it to make it easier to find.
rsp

Can someone explaîn me , what is the difference with the other delays ? (Why bbd delay are special ? )

Sure.

BBD's aren't "special", they are just one of two common methods to implement a delay in hardware. The other big one is tape. I'll give you the TL;DR answer before going in detail:

BBDs work by speeding up or slowing down the signal in order to create different delay lengths. This speeding up and slowing down has the nice side effect of changing the pitch. So you can modulate the delay length (rate or rate+) without creating ugly artifacts. Instead, the signal simply is pitched up and down.

The technical description:

The usual digital delay uses a delay line with a fixed sample rate (the same you set up in your DAW) and the delay length is then determined by the length of the delay line (number or samples). Analog BBDs use a series of transistors that basically freeze a voltage for a short duration before passing the voltage on to the next transistor pair. (This is where the signal is delayed) However, you can't change the number of transistors used to change the overall delay time. Instead, the rate in which the voltage is passed from one transistor to another is changed. That would be like changing the sample rate in you DAW just to speed up the signal and thus decrease the delay time.

[Kypresso]

Another note:

We will hold a competition for the naming of the 5 colour types, in a separate topic.

I'd much rather you just made it a setting in prefs where people can type in their own names for each colour.
That way everyone can choose their own names and everyone will be happy.