How to Get Rid of a Midi Patch Change

[sworkshop]

Searched the forum but can't find exactly what I'm looking for.

From what I know about MIDI, there are messages that are intended only to control banks and patches.

I had a client play some keys and I recorded the midi, thinking of course I could choose the exact patch later.

Well, you probably see my problem. Everytime I play it, it forces the patch to change to the originally recorded patch. Probably a good thing if I knew how to control it.

Is is possible to filters out this type of message or can someone tell me how to find the sucker in the midi track so I can change it?

Using T7 32bit Win 7 Pro, M-Audio Keystation 32.

As always, I rely on the kindness of strangers. Great helpful people here.

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[Daniel78]

I'm on W9 but i think T7 is the same. Select the midi clip in question, click the "insert program change" button in the properties panel. A drop down menu appears - Select "remove all program change messages from this clip".

[gavindi]

Yeah it would be nice to be able to remove a single program change discreetly rather than losing all the changes that may be in that clip. Maybe there is way but we just don't know it???

[Watchful]

I agree with Gavindi. This should be easier.

I have issues with Waveforms program change command all the time:

1. Need easier way to set the program for a whole track, not just a clip.
2. Easier way to insert MSB and LSB instructions (currently a multistep process in the clip)
3. T6 and W9 very keen on randomly changing programs during playback (especially with the Korg Legacy Collection). Could be related to Sworkshop's issue. Very stubborn on some clips, but totally fine on others.

[sworkshop]

Thanks all. 'Insert program change' for the whole clip was enough to get me through this track.

It will be interesting to see if the points raised here eventually make their way into Tracktion/Waveform

[zzz00m]

Very few DAWs seem to offer a full featured MIDI event list editor (in addition to the piano roll view commonly known as the MIDI editor).

Cakewalk has always offered that, and probably a few others that began as MIDI sequencers. It's nice to be able to see every MIDI event in a MIDI clip, such as every event on track with a timestamp, such as note on, patch change, control(volume, etc.), etc., and to be able to edit them manually if desired.

[Watchful]

Agreed! I had something vaguely similar two-hundred years ago in Sequencer Plus...very detailed MIDI information at the bottom of the piano roll. A neat feature there, too, was the ability to cut and paste (in DOS!) events and reuse them, like program change sequences, pitch bends, and so on.

I'm not asking for that, of course, but would like a tiny bit more control over program changes in the clip level...and especially the track level, so I can set a program for an entire track once and only once. Then, if I need to insert a program change, I can do it in a clip.

This is ironically something that used to work better in the old sequencer-to-hardware days, and seems to less well a in couple of modern DAWs.

[gavindi]

Ahhhhh,I miss the old event list editor.

[zzz00m]

Sign of the times...

It's even a bit frustrating when Studio One proudly states in their user manual:

Look Mom, No MIDI!

The Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI) specification was created in 1983. While it has served musicians well for more than 25 years, it has some limitations in terms of resolution and speed. We circumvent many of those limitations within Studio One by substituting our own high performance control system in place of MIDI when controlling certain vital internal parameters.

As an example, fine-grained parameter automation is provided within virtual instrument parts, rather than much lower resolution (128 steps) MIDI control-data automation. The Control Link system is also made possible by abstracting MIDI from Studio One's internal processes. As MIDI evolves and new potential standards are developed, Studio One remains prepared for the innovations of the future.

So guessing that no internal MIDI probably means PreSonus will never add a MIDI event list editor either.