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Whywhy · Post by **Whywhy** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:50 pm

My definition of killing creativity:
To not find a way to translate what I want to do and for that, Melda is the solution, I always find a way to do what I want, and sometimes more.

About Msf, nobody mentions some modular sequencing techniques, like shift registers, boolean, clock, scales quantizer...
I'm not an expert in modular sequencing but it could be a great addition to Msf.
Same for audio rate modulations.
What do you think, it's in the factory concept?

masitito · Post by **masitito** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:13 pm

DarkStar wrote:
masitito wrote:In this field we ideally have a UI designer and a graphics designer to create the best possible results.
OK then, given the features and capabilities of the plug-ins what, specifically, would the UI designer come up with?

How should I know? I'm not a UI designer. I know only what I like and dislike about the current UI. But that's my personal preferences. It's a gut feeling that tells me that there must be a way to design that is a bit more elegantly and less cluttered. Maybe it is only wishful thinking.

What IMHO is a problem is that all the UI elements are presented with the same prominence. Sometimes panels are labelled as "advanced" and sometimes they are hidden by default. But basically you see parameters that are most commonly used and the ones that are rarely used in the same size, etc. You will now ask me which parameters are important and which not?

You will then argue that the list I will come up with is purely subjective. And you'll be right. But is the job of the product's creator to anticipate use cases. Generally I find that plugin authors usually size UI elements quite good for the average user - that's me

With Melda plugin I often have the feeling that some parameter are at the spot they are in the given size only because there was some room left. This is IMHO the one of the baddest reasons for playing a UI element. But of course it could be that I don't know their powers by my lack of experience. So after all they are super important for 90% of the users and I'm in the remaining 10%.

Anyway, I don't claim that the plugins are ugly, but that there is an imbalance of UI elements when it comes to their presentation in order of importance for daily tasks.

Masi

elassi · Post by **elassi** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:53 pm

The often requested UI redesign will never happen. Just have a closer look at the (common) nature of Melda's plugins and you'll understand why.

After all to me (2ct and such) it's the least problem to tackle. If I had a free wish I'd ask for more pleasing filters. Of course, the sheer legion of FX provided by the MXXX core built into MSF can make up any noise. But try yourself feeding a naked MP/MFS sound through "The Drop" (Cytomic) and then start realizing what's separating standard from awesome.

Don't get me wrong: I have all MProducts and they excel not only with their unique mod system. Nonetheless there's room left to fill here and there.

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:21 pm

A patch made of 2 small FM-merged wavetables with each containing 4 waves and some modulation going on.
Some reverb from within the plugin (MTurboreverb).
No processing or further mangling was done.
Some really silly overtiredly done keyboard hacking and modwheel screwing recorded into MRecorder

https://soundcloud.com/user-564309669/wavetables4

Have Joy

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:23 am

DPhil wrote:A synth (more than any effect) needs to make me wanting...

Ah. Really?

Chandlerhimself · Post by **Chandlerhimself** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:57 am

Whywhy wrote: About Msf, nobody mentions some modular sequencing techniques, like shift registers, boolean, clock, scales quantizer...
I'm not an expert in modular sequencing but it could be a great addition to Msf.
Same for audio rate modulations.
What do you think, it's in the factory concept?

Those things would be cool to have hopefully they’ll be in there sometime in the future. Audio rate modulation is already included though. I don’t know exactly how many things can be modulated with the LFO at those speeds, but I know the filters can.

werzel · Post by **werzel** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:06 am

Has/will the number of noise sources been increased for oscillators? I've become a bit spoiled by the variety found in Serum, along with the ability to use them as modulation sources. The only thing I would add to that would be the ability to apply effects in between the noise and whatever it is modulating...could result in some very interesting possibilities!

werzel · Post by **werzel** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:17 am

While I'm throwing ideas into the wind...
1. Is downsampling possible within the matrix?
2. Feedback/ feedforward to a specified location within the matrix?
3. Will it be possible to alter the readout of some knobs? (eg. Filter - option of changing frequencies to be displayed in Hz or octaves)
Note: I typically use an equalizer to hone in on frequencies that I would like to use as targets for my filter but can't seem to make the conversion to the octaves referenced in MPS' filters. If someone could help me with that I'd be very thankful indeed.

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:08 am

1. Is downsampling possible within the matrix?

There are two matrix/modulars first one is called generator and contains sysnthesis stuff and the second is for FX.
Both of them feature downsampling.

2. Feedback/Feedforward to a specified location within the matrix?

Feedback.Feedforward is possible only in the FX module at the moment, maybe it will come later to the generator also.

3. Will it be possible to alter the readout of some knobs? (eg. Filter - option of changing frequencies to be displayed in Hz or octaves)
Note: I typically use an equalizer to hone in on frequencies that I would like to use as targets for my filter but can't seem to make the conversion to the octaves referenced in MPS' filters. If someone could help me with that I'd be very thankful indeed.

The filters work differently from most normal filters. I will explain.
There is a separate filter for each note you press, so if you were to play a standard triad chord you would have 3 filters. Each of the 3 would actually have different frequency/cutoff values depending on the note. Or in other words, the filter is keytracked by default.
So if you press C3 the filters central frequency (0 octaves) will be 262hz. Now if you increase the value of the filter to +1 octave it will now have a frequency of 523hz (C4)

There is an option in the filter to make the pitch constant or in other words, it will not follow your note pitches and instead work like a normal filter.
In this mode the filter assumes all notes as A4, so that makes:
-1 octaves = 220hz
0 octaves = 440hz
+1 octaves = 880hz
and so on........
Using this you can probably work out how to set the frequency to something specific.

Whywhy · Post by **Whywhy** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:41 am

Hi Werzel,
For finding a specific frequency, I like to use the peak filter, add some gain, choose your frequency and boost or adjust like you want. Play with the resonance too. Like an eq.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:33 pm

nichttuntun wrote:A patch made of 2 small FM-merged wavetables with each containing 4 waves and some modulation going on.
Some reverb from within the plugin (MTurboreverb).
No processing or further mangling was done.
Some really silly overtiredly done keyboard hacking and modwheel screwing recorded into MRecorder

https://soundcloud.com/user-564309669/wavetables4

Have Joy

Hehe, good one, ideal for some horror movie

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nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:36 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:
nichttuntun wrote:A patch made of 2 small FM-merged wavetables with each containing 4 waves and some modulation going on.
Some reverb from within the plugin (MTurboreverb).
No processing or further mangling was done.
Some really silly overtiredly done keyboard hacking and modwheel screwing recorded into MRecorder

https://soundcloud.com/user-564309669/wavetables4

Have Joy
Hehe, good one, ideal for some horror movie .

Thank you. Yes most of my sounds tend to drift in that direction. These are all just quick made demos with no real finetuning and deep tweaking. I will do that when MSF has a final state. I made a fantastic really fat (horror-movie-like) string-padsound today but didn´t save it. As you mentioned the presets cannot be used when new version comes out.

I think this is a good way to learn from scratch each time and of course a perfect option to check out if everything is working or has bugs...

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:43 pm

Another relatively chaotic patch made quickly on the fly. Maybe a little hommage to Kevin Key from Skinny Puppy? Don´t know.

This was done in 5 minutes:
2 OSCs / FM-Merged
2 Filters
MTurboReverb
Just 1 Key pressed (98,5% of the time)

"Everything is modulating everything"
...I am just beginning to love this thing and my mind spins if I imagine this is just a starting point...

https://soundcloud.com/user-564309669/onekey-hell

My thoughts for MSF a this state of development:
Although the above posted patch has a harsh sounding base I think this soundscapy patch has a totally organic feel and a kind of warmth to it I really like. Filters are great in MSF as well as the overall sound quality. Beside this I made another, more classical, patch today with the typical tricks to make it pending and effective...which some of you maybe would have considered to be made by (one called it that way) a top notch sound designer. A stringy athmospheric pad sound with a twist that blew me away considering the roundness, airyness, fatness and the quality at the same time. Didn´t record with it nor did I save it. I´ll keep that kind of fun for a final MSF version. At the moment I am just playing with MSF to check if everything is working and sometimes I make raw very unfinished sounding demos on the fly. Possibilities are soooooooo deeeeeeep in MSF, even just at this state!
Have joy!

elassi · Post by **elassi** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:20 pm

No offense: Get rid of the reverb, nichttuntun, or, at least, modulate it too.

It seems to function as a supermarket plastic bag you use to carry the purchases from a mortality inspired underground flee market in Vienna back home.

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:24 pm

elassi wrote:No offense: Get rid of the reverb, nichttuntun, or, at least, modulate it too.

It seems to function as a supermarket plastic bag you use to carry the purchases from a mortality inspired underground flee market in Vienna back home.

You´re welcome. Didn´t spent any time for making it a "perfect" patch. You´re propably right

Have joy!

P.S.
Can't reproduce without reverb. Didn't save the patch

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