Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

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discoDSP
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3729 posts since 18 Jul, 2002

Post Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:30 am

I won't be surprised to see Steinberg applying a "grace period".
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bkej
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15 posts since 13 Oct, 2013

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:50 am

@S0lo did it work, even if you sent it after Oct 1st?

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S0lo
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625 posts since 31 Dec, 2008

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:55 am

bkej wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:50 am
@S0lo did it work, even if you sent it after Oct 1st?
I got mine signed way before Oct 1st. I was talking about davidguda.

bkej
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Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:32 am

@S0lo do you remember how many hours/days it took to have the signed document back via email?

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S0lo
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625 posts since 31 Dec, 2008

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:44 am

I think it was around 2 weeks. Sent to info(at)steinberg.de. There is another address mentioned in their pdf form, that didn't seem to work.

Kickflip
KVRist
33 posts since 10 Dec, 2009

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:47 pm

Literally only just read about this! Might have to try sending off anyway and hope there's a 30 day grace period...

twoifbysea
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329 posts since 25 May, 2011 from Grass Valley, CA

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:24 pm

bkej wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:32 am
@S0lo do you remember how many hours/days it took to have the signed document back via email?
It was about a week for me, in September.

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Tj Shredder
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1396 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:20 pm

A few days, but within Germany...

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wavesfactory
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305 posts since 12 May, 2010

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:42 pm

Well... shit.
I just learned about this last week and sent and e-mail with documentation to Steinberg.
Their reply was "we no longer give VST2 licenses".
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quikquak
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413 posts since 6 Aug, 2005 from England

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:59 pm

You’ll have to stop making them then? Isn’t that what they wanted all along?

ghettosynth
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11279 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:49 am

davidguda wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:02 am
I saw this thread just now after not reading KVR and such for a while. Does this mean I'm forever incapable of releasing a plugin that supports VST2? I'm about a month away from being able to release my product I've been working on for over a year or so.
I will still be able to release AU and VST3 I suppose.
Is it ok to release VST2 if using VST3 sdk ni compability? I've never looked in to that, I've never even released a VST3.
I'm using JUCE if that matters.

IIRC, Juce has its own VST2 code so you shouldn't need Steinberg's license. That said, I'm no laywer and have barely cracked the door open with Juce myself so you should probably get the word from those more knowledgeable. I believe that this is commented on earlier in this thread and was going to be my back door if Steinberg wouldn't sign my license for whatever reason. In any case, mine came back after about two+ weeks as others have reported here.

Xenakios
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1156 posts since 9 Sep, 2005 from Oulu, Finland

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:30 am

ghettosynth wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:49 am
IIRC, Juce has its own VST2 code so you shouldn't need Steinberg's license.
That used to be so, but Roli also recently had to yield to Steinberg's demands. The JUCE implemented VST2 code was removed and temporarily replaced by the Steinberg headers in the JUCE repo, obviously making it necessary for developers to get the VST2 license agreement accepted for their JUCE based VST2 plugins. (Roli was granted a special license by Steinberg to allow them to temporarily distribute the VST2 headers, it usually wouldn't have been possible.)

Incidentally, I've been waiting for over 2 weeks to hear anything sensible back from them. I did send the license agreement on the Friday before October 1st...

ghettosynth
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11279 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:41 am

Xenakios wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:30 am
ghettosynth wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:49 am
IIRC, Juce has its own VST2 code so you shouldn't need Steinberg's license.
That used to be so, but Roli also recently had to yield to Steinberg's demands. The JUCE implemented VST2 code was removed and temporarily replaced by the Steinberg headers in the JUCE repo, obviously making it necessary for developers to get the VST2 license agreement accepted for their JUCE based VST2 plugins. (Roli was granted a special license by Steinberg to allow them to temporarily distribute the VST2 headers, it usually wouldn't have been possible.)

Incidentally, I've been waiting for over 2 weeks to hear anything sensible back from them. I did send the license agreement on the Friday before October 1st...
Thanks for posting. This could prove to be one of the most interesting threads of 2018. I hope you get your license soon, I like your work. I'm glad I jumped through the hoops, but, I also hope (mostly in vain) that this pushes the industry a bit and something unlikely emerges.

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discoDSP
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3729 posts since 18 Jul, 2002

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:47 am

Fortunately got VST2 and VST3 licenses on time :)
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noizebox
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28 posts since 19 Nov, 2012 from Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:57 am

Xenakios wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:30 am
Incidentally, I've been waiting for over 2 weeks to hear anything sensible back from them. I did send the license agreement on the Friday before October 1st...
You haven't gotten a reply from them either? I snailmailed it to the the last week, and it should have reached them before the 1st October, but haven't received anything in return either. Let's hope the're just swamped with requests.

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