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hakey · Post by **hakey** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:08 pm

Howard wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:01 pm
hakey wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:50 pmA four frame wavetable split over two multitables with Env/LFO/XY modulation of Position and Multi Position gets somewhat close to Vector Synthesis, no?
Or a 16 frame wavetable split into 4 multitables

Or mix between multiwavetables from both oscillators and get a cubic wavetable.

Delta Sign · Post by **Delta Sign** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:21 pm

Yeah, 2D wavetables are fun.

I think I already posted this some time ago:

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NumFrames=256

Wave start=0 end=63 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(2*pi*phase)*(frame/16))))"
Wave start=64 end=127 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(4*pi*phase)*((frame-64)/16))))"
Wave start=128 end=191 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(8*pi*phase)*((frame-128)/16))))"
Wave start=192 end=255 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(16*pi*phase)*((frame-192)/16))))"

Normalize base=each

Wavetable position controls the FM index, and the Multitable position blends between different FM ratios. A bit messy, but it works and actually sounds pretty cool

I know, loading samples into Hive isn't really the "proper" way to use the wavetables, but it can be fun nonetheless

Here I have 4 different drum loops with similar patterns in one wavetable. 1 LFO randomly scrolls through the loop, while another random LFO fades between the different drum loops using the Multitable feature. Basically, the first LFO determines the position in the loop, while the second one determines from which of the 4 loops to pick the sound at that position.

https://soundcloud.com/deltasign/hive-w ... able-tests

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:48 pm

Delta Sign wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:21 pmI think I already posted this some time ago:
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NumFrames=256

Wave start=0 end=63 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(2*pi*phase)*(frame/16))))"
Wave start=64 end=127 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(4*pi*phase)*((frame-64)/16))))"
Wave start=128 end=191 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(8*pi*phase)*((frame-128)/16))))"
Wave start=192 end=255 "sin(2*pi*(phase+(sin(16*pi*phase)*((frame-192)/16))))"

Normalize base=each
Wavetable position controls the FM index, and the Multitable position blends between different FM ratios. A bit messy, but it works and actually sounds pretty cool

Thought that sounded familiar - it's been added to the factory examples. "FM Matrix"

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:11 am

Welp, I'm in wait and see mode. I love it and I want to use it, but I don't have a compiler, and I am not interested in mousehead synth. I'm also not going to buy zebra just to work with hive as an end user. Hopefully the included waves will be all I ever need out of this piece because I want to love it. I'm unable to make .uhm scripts at this time on windows though. very frustrating for everyone. I will check in when 1.5 or 1.2 or what ever it is is released.

dlarseninclusive · Post by **dlarseninclusive** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:26 am

Can you just stop talking about why you don't like it. I think we understand. Speaking for myself, I Understand.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:35 am

if you cared you would listen because it's what most are thinking but are too afraid to say face to face like a man. this is not personal. i like Urs a lot and have a long history with his products. i like his products a lot. i was also one of the first people to buy Hive. I'm not telling you I hate Hive, I'm telling you how to make it accessible.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:06 am

Dasheesh wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:35 am I'm not telling you I hate Hive, I'm telling you how to make it accessible.

It may just be the choice of words or tone. For instance, word "telling" there can be interpreted as, "they don't already know this, so I need to tell them so they don't screw it up," whereas I'm sure the U-he team is very capable of developing a fine update while building upon the ease of use that made Hive successful in the first place. So in that regard, I don't think they need to be "told" anything. Someone could take that as condescending. You clearly have some concerns about the direction (and you're not alone as evidenced by a few others in this thread) but there's a difference between expressing your concerns in a positive way via constructive feedback and telling people what they're planning on doing is wrong. The former is productive and the latter will make people defensive. And I'm not trying to be on a high horse about it, trust me, I've been given lots of feedback in my life about how I can do the exact same thing without even realizing it. It can really rub people the wrong way, and meanwhile, I think I'm being constructive.

Your point got across: you don't want Hive to stay too far away from being an easy to use synth and I think Urs already wrote a few times that he doesn't believe it will. Give him (and the team) a chance. They're pretty good at this.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:13 am

want to know what people will pay for in Hive? it's just about the most brassy, expressive thing in software. It's extremely playable and musical, AND it didn't lie to you. You knew what you were getting. You weren't being sold with Hive.

You are losing trust. Hive was sold as a virus/sylenth replacement. That was the advert. I trusted U-he to bring that to me and so did others. The scripting ish is way off track, and the reason is because it is not accessible to everyone. they want to know what they are buying. I love Hive, but I'm being left out buy this scripting, and I don't know why. I don't hate anyone or any product, I'm telling you. Give defined variables. Give people defined boundaries they can accomplish with Hive. Stop leaving people out. My 2 pence.

sleepcircle · Post by **sleepcircle** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:19 am

the scripting is an 'extra'

they are basically opening up the back end to people who want to get really nerdy with it. afaik they won't abandon the front end.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:27 am

sleepcircle wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:19 am the scripting is an 'extra'

they are basically opening up the back end to people who want to get really nerdy with it. afaik they won't abandon the front end.

yes, I agree with this. it's the intent. but, people feel left out. if you are going to make it as expensive as diva... make the included waves all you will ever need.

Shiek927 · Post by **Shiek927** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:22 am

As far as I understand, the whole scripting thing is a bonus. You don't have to even touch that because they're going to have lots of new great-sounding wavetables for folks like me who aren't THAT big on sound-design and just want awesome tools to play around with in a simple way. You can just pretend it doesn't even exist if you don't want to go that far. Either way, Hive's simplicity isn't being changed.

The idea that people are being left out is a bit silly because it's not like the scripting is the primary and only means of using the synth. THAT's how people would be left out. But that's completely not the case at all: it's just one more bonus. Hardly even the main course from the sound of things with the updates coming up. To exaggerate the scripting feature that much as a complete deal-breaker before we've even really seen the updates coming up in 1.2 and 2.0 seems like an overreaction to say the least.

As before, I'm just happy Hive is getting lots of love at the moment because it never seemed to reach it's full potential. Which is a darn shame because, as-is, it's a great, very fast, and easy to use synth with a punchy Roland-esque sound. I personally only ever wanted to have at least as many features as something like Spire (more distortion modules, some small FM, limited wavetable, etc) to be a more competitive dance synth. It sounds like it's getting all that and then some

sleepcircle · Post by **sleepcircle** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:56 am

think of it like this. 6-oscilaltor FM synthesis is a real pain. dexed is pretty difficult to make sound GOOD, and even harder to make sound like something in particular (instead of just Neat FM Noises). and yet dexed comes with countless presets. like 7000, maybe more. almost all made by various amateurs and hobbyists.

look at how many people are mucking about with hive wavetable synthesis already! it's just filling up with presets and it's not even been a full month. even if you can never get into the scripting backend yourself, you will probably never run out of wavetables to try as long as you have an internet connection.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:43 am

Serum has a wavetable editor and the ability to create waveforms from math equations. Most users probably don’t use these features but they are available to those that do. I don’t see that as a negative.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:26 am

BDeep wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:09 amI understand the reasoning goes that I don’t have to use these options. But that’s not entirely true as I would always feel I wouldn’t use Hive to its full potential. Nothing more annoying when something’s right there but just out of reach.

That is really a problem of your own mind... I have no intention of learning scripting. I have every intention of making use of interesting scripts others make.

Same as with plugins. Do you not use plugins because you cannot code them? No you just use them. Same as most people don't make their own wavetables and just use existing ones. It's the same with Hive. No need to learn any scripting. If you are just selecting a script, it is super easy to use... same as always.

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