Linux is still not ready

[stanlea]

I almost wrote that he's there, up there. But then I saw it is stanlea.

Please no insults. I'm almost dead.

[Vortifex]

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[stratum]

a minority pursuit for geeks who gain deep satisfaction from spending hours figuring out how to do stuff.

Will be fixed when Mr.Torvalds gains control over the universe:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/8/495

[chk071]

The strength of Linux is that there are so many distro's.

The weakness of Linux is that there are so many distro's.

Absolutely. When I was still using Ubuntu, I always hoped that some of the peeps working on other distros would join the Ubuntu team, so that they had the manpower like bigger OS's. But, if you think about it, it's pretty obvious, because there's a lot of "But... I can do it much better than anyone else!" attitude with Linux devs, which is kind of a common theme in the Linux community. Look at Torvalds giving the industry the middle finger. If they would be a bit more open to the industry and standards, then we wouldn't be holding this discussion, and Linux would be much bigger by now, on home PC's. I always say that their own ideology beats them.

[stratum]

The strength of Linux is that there are so many distro's.

The weakness of Linux is that there are so many distro's.

Absolutely. When I was still using Ubuntu, I always hoped that some of the peeps working on other distros would join the Ubuntu team, so that they had the manpower like bigger OS's. But, if you think about it, it's pretty obvious, because there's a lot of "But... I can do it much better than anyone else!" attitude with Linux devs, which is kind of a common theme in the Linux community. Look at Torvalds giving the industry the middle finger. If they would be a bit more open to the industry and standards, then we wouldn't be holding this discussion, and Linux would be much bigger by now, on home PC's. I always say that their own ideology beats them.

Again, for many server side apps this problem doesn't really matter much because you can always rely on Mr.Torvalds and his attitude regarding the subject matter and be sure that at least the kernel works exactly as you expect, and then "chroot" or "docker" into your package which can contain whatever distro you like.

[dellboy]

Absolutely. When I was still using Ubuntu, I always hoped that some of the peeps working on other distros would join the Ubuntu team, so that they had the manpower like bigger OS's. But, if you think about it, it's pretty obvious, because there's a lot of "But... I can do it much better than anyone else!" attitude with Linux devs, which is kind of a common theme in the Linux community. Look at Torvalds giving the industry the middle finger. If they would be a bit more open to the industry and standards, then we wouldn't be holding this discussion, and Linux would be much bigger by now, on home PC's. I always say that their own ideology beats them.

This

[dellboy]

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Again, for many server side apps this problem doesn't really matter much because you can always rely on Mr.Torvalds and his attitude regarding the subject matter and be sure that at least the kernel works exactly as you expect, and then "chroot" or "docker" into your package which can contain whatever distro you like.

Server side apps - chroot -docker - kernel ?

Eh ?

I just want to make music.

[stratum]

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Again, for many server side apps this problem doesn't really matter much because you can always rely on Mr.Torvalds and his attitude regarding the subject matter and be sure that at least the kernel works exactly as you expect, and then "chroot" or "docker" into your package which can contain whatever distro you like.

Server side apps - chroot -docker - kernel ?

Eh ?

I just want to make music.

Then don't do it with Linux.
The last time I had tried I couldn't even install maudio midi keyboard drivers. I'm sure there is a distro out there that already has them installed, if not, forget about it.

[DJ Warmonger]

Again, for many server side apps this problem doesn't really matter much because you can always rely on Mr.Torvalds and his attitude regarding the subject matter and be sure that at least the kernel works exactly as you expect, and then "chroot" or "docker" into your package which can contain whatever distro you like.

Server side apps - chroot -docker - kernel ?

Eh ?

I just want to make music.

This. Most people want to "make dem beatz" in their spare time and just choose a tool that works out of the box, preferably is easy to use. They are even willing to pay more for a tool that does the job for them. It's quite the opposite of spending all your time on configuring the Linux and learning everything in first place. That sounds more like a job.

If everyone in the world wanted or even be able to handle Linux, IT engineers wouldn't be paid that much

[InLight-Tone]

Linux hasn't been ready for 20 years back when I first tinkered with it. It's a time suck and a LIFE waster...

[stratum]

Linux hasn't been ready for 20 years back when I first tinkered with it. It's a time suck and a LIFE waster...

It's running majority of the websites on the internet so I guess it's "ready", but it probably won't run your audio gear. Most of the time you run Linux when you already need to hire a system administrator for some other reason - i.e. a bank will have somebody who takes care of its website and database security regardless of whether it runs windows, macos or linux.

[pljones]

The audio "end user" on Windows or MacOS is probably a tech geek to the majority of Windows and MacOS users (less so on MacOS, where at least you don't need to know what "ASIO" means and "proprietary USB driver" means and how to configure Windows for real time audio).

Windows isn't ready for desktop, of course.

[dellboy]

It's running majority of the websites on the internet so I guess it's "ready", but it probably won't run your audio gear. Most of the time you run Linux when you already need to hire a system administrator for some other reason - i.e. a bank will have somebody who takes care of its website and database security regardless of whether it runs windows, macos or linux.

It should be self evident that we are discussing is, "is Linux ready yet to make computer music with", we all know about its use in servers etc.

The interesting bit is that I was able to download and install ubuntu studio to a usb stick and boot it live without a command line. I was then able to connect to the internet and download Reaper for Linux and install and configure it - all within 5 minutes.

I connected up my external synth and laid down a few tracks without the dreaded x-runs. I then even got my midi keyboard working and played the Reaper inbuilt synth. All this using only alsa sound with no dreaded q-jack thingy in sight (I hate that thing). The latency was very good too, much like asio.

All this without a command line. Progress is being made slowly.

[chk071]

@stratum: You can't compare server and cloud application to Linux for home PC's. Linux on servers is sort of like Windows or Mac OS. It's driven by professional usage, and paid to be strange and reliable. Where it matters (a.k.a. where money is involved), Linux IS stable.

[stratum]

@stratum: You can't compare server and cloud application to Linux for home PC's.

I haven't made such a comparison. I said it works well on servers for this particular reason, and will not work that well for end users because the same conditions will not exist in the environment for home users.