KVR Audio

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:24 pm

You seem to think that it is a logical fallacy for someone who owns a lot of equipment to think that you do not need to own a lot of equipment to make good music. Implying that I am a hypocrite (I can only assume that is what you are implying by constantly repeating the phrase 'straw man' like a mantra) because I own a lot of gear whilst saying 8 tracks will be useful/enough for some people (as will the cheap upgrade to the full version) is you opinion and you are welcome to it.

I will let you have the last word (or this will go on forever) and then leave it at that!

Now I am of to update my signature to include the OP-Z, Digitone and and MOOG DFAM I recently added to my studio

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:50 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:24 pm You seem to think that it is a logical fallacy for someone who owns a lot of equipment to think that you do not need to own a lot of equipment to make good music.

Never said that, don't think that, stop doing that, you don't have moral ground to preach about minimalism or about anything really, so stop it.

Implying that I am a hypocrite (I can only assume that is what you are implying by constantly repeating the phrase 'straw man' like a mantra) because I own a lot of gear whilst saying 8 tracks will be useful/enough for some people (as will the cheap upgrade to the full version) is you opinion and you are welcome to it.

Some people don't need DAW's to make music, so DAW's are useless for them, some folks want to work with video, so Bitwig is useless for them, some use lot off 3rd party vst's, so 8 track is useless to them, we all have different needs, is here anybody that doesn't know that, seriously, why are you preaching that, do you think we don't know we all have different mindsets, workflows, needs and etc, so you need to tell us that, are we unreasonable with our needs so you need to shove your reasoning down our throats, seriously, you gave yourself too much right and clearly you don't respect our opinions enough to let us have it, so you found the right to preach and disrespect us, relying more on straw man's and irony than common sense and respect, accept that there are people that don't find it useful and live with it, quietly.

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:06 pm

I bought the magazine, installed Bitwig 8 track, found out it is really 2 tracks (2 VST limit)and uninstalled.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:47 pm

Nope, it is 8 tracks. But you can only use 2 third-party plug-ins at a time.

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:11 pm

DarkStar wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:47 pm Nope, it is 8 tracks. But you can only use 2 third-party plug-ins at a time.

Correct, which makes it 2 tracks in my book.

I have no use for there inbuilt synths, and it only allows one track for external synths. It does have 8 tracks of audio, whoopee!

A puff of air makes it revert to demo mode.

Waste of time. Waste of £6.99 for the mag.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:24 pm

Seems more like it's £6.99 for a taster - a demo - of a powerful piece of software. If it was 16 tracks and allowed you to use however many plugins you like it would be a genuinely useful bit of kit. I can't really understand the mentality involved in making it so cut down. Most people like to own the full product anyway so most are going to buy it regardless of how useful the cut down version is. It would be nice to see a developer try to actually make a USEFUL cut down version for a small minority that genuinely can't afford the full version but still want to use Bitwig.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:32 pm

Yep. They could have at least make it like Live Lite.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:13 pm

There is always Traction, the free and pretty full featured DAW with unlimited VSTs etc for people who can’t afford full DAWs, Reactor is also amazing value. I would think Bitwig is quite niche and the people who want it get the full version (often under 200 bucks on KVR)

T7 is actually pretty good, couple this with the free VCV Rack and you have a hell of a set up!

https://www.tracktion.com/products/t7-daw

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:46 pm

And the re-released and repackaged Sonar, which is now my personal favorite free DAW.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:47 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:32 pm Yep. They could have at least make it like Live Lite.

Live Lite is just as limited, no?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:03 pm

GaryG wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:39 pm I wouldn’t say useless, bw themselves use the term sketch pad which is how I use the 8 track version. Reaper is my main squeeze but messing about with beats in bw8t or Ableton intro Is a nice change of MO, leads to interesting parts I wouldn’t normally come up with. So I wouldn’t use this as my primary daw at all but a fun addition imo. And I would have killed for features in this freebie when I was starting out, 8 tracks, decent array of fx, various synths... more than enough for 90s minimal techno

so, the only real restriction is the number of tracks?
8 is more than enough

especially to demo all the cool features people keep telling me bw has to offer.
ill have to try and grab a copy of cm. looked in the local smiths but no luck yet...

sprnva · Post by **sprnva** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:04 pm

Russell Grand wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:47 pm Live Lite is just as limited, no?

No.

It doesn't restrict the amount of VSTs you can use. That's a pretty severe limitation on top of a limited track count.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:07 pm

do_androids_dream wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:24 pm It would be nice to see a developer try to actually make a USEFUL cut down version for a small minority that genuinely can't afford the full version but still want to use Bitwig.

Exactly, totally with you on that, when I suggested that on Bitwig forum, everyone and their dogs jumped at me like it's most bizarre idea ever and started explaining me common sense logic like I'm 2 year old and retarded, "But, they taught out that", "There's /probably/ people in this world that can make music with that, like Beatles..." and all that jazz, shocker, what an discovery, do tell more, yawn.

sprnva wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:04 pm
Russell Grand wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:47 pm Live Lite is just as limited, no?
No.

It doesn't restrict the amount of VSTs you can use. That's a pretty severe limitation on top of a limited track count.

Exactly.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:10 pm

Russell Grand wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:46 pm And the re-released and repackaged Sonar, which is now my personal favorite free DAW.

I forgot about that one! No one realy needs to use a ‘lite’ anything!

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:23 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:10 pm
Russell Grand wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:46 pm And the re-released and repackaged Sonar, which is now my personal favorite free DAW.
I forgot about that one! No one realy needs to use a ‘lite’ anything!

So basically you are better off people using something else, instead of giving them liter version they can actually use and be in that eco system?

Bitwig 8-Track "free" with CM Magazine.