Bitwig 8-Track "free" with CM Magazine.

[SLiC]

I wouldn't mind 199 bucks retail one either, could get it on sale or from 8 track and whatever, all good, just something between 8 track like it is now and full one which retails at 399.

https://www.jrrshop.com/bitwig-studio-v ... ig-8-track is now $230.51 if you use the "forum" coupon code.

Welcome to Bitwig.

Upgrade from 8 track to Bitwig Studio 2.4 on AudioDeluxe (you need to put it in your basket)

Order total $219.99

https://www.audiodeluxe.com/search/site ... tudio%2520

10 bucks cheaper

[Zexila]

Why should Bitwig need to give away a better/more useful free version?
They shouldn't if it doesn't work for them, its their business.

I am 'pro choice' I like additional cheaper versions of software so more people can access it and pro - 'cross platform' so more people can access it....A bigger user group is good, more feedback, helpful videos and devices being made.

But Bitwig doesn't have "free" version, both mag/hardware one are obtained after the purchase and you could even sell it for some buck, but disregarding that, I'm with you on second one, give people choices or give people something more usable with what you already gave, but again, they know the best, that's without a question, their business move, hope that turns out the best for them, they didn't targeted me and people like me with that decisions, but you can't please everybody, especially if we are really tiny share of the market.

[SLiC]

Why should Bitwig need to give away a better/more useful free version?
They shouldn't if it doesn't work for them, its their business.

I am 'pro choice' I like additional cheaper versions of software so more people can access it and pro - 'cross platform' so more people can access it....A bigger user group is good, more feedback, helpful videos and devices being made.

But Bitwig doesn't have "free" version, both mag/hardware one are obtained after the purchase and you could even sell it for some buck, but disregarding that, I'm with you on second one, give people choices or give people something more usable with what you already gave, but again, they know the best, that's without a question, their business move, hope that turns out the best for them, they didn't targeted me and people like me with that decisions, but you can't please everybody, especially if we are really tiny share of the market.

Fair enough, not free per se, but people do tend to say 'free with a magazine' (as the thread title) and given how many people here have 'no use for it at all' it sounds like there should be a ton free licences available if those people give them away

I feel the same way about Logic, Alchemy and other MAC only software- no version at all I can use without spending a grand, but Apple obviously prefer to only sell to people who use MACS and I am not going to argue with one of the biggest companies in the word that their marketing strategy is wrong!

[DarkStar]

Computer Music seem to be deliberately obtuse when it comes to their plugins. Sure, they are very generous with what they give away, but finding out what they are 'giving away' is the trick.

The cm plug-ins are described in every issue (towards the back) and the monthly special is on the front cover and has its own feature article.

After a couple of hours I came to the conclusion that this version of Bitwig is a 8 track version of V2. As opposed to V1. Who knows? Bitwig aren't saying. CM aren't saying. Best just buy the mag and find out eh?

cm magazine, p22: "Version 2 of Bitwig Studio is fast becoming ... and their 8-Track version is completely free with this issue".

It's a really good setup that CM have these days with the updated 'Vault' or 'Silo'. But the lack of transparency will just drive people away out of virtue of the fact it's bloody annoying. Having to download 2GB files as well just to get a 600KB .dll will irk some also.

Agreed - I think cm will be looking at that.

I thought it was pretty cool getting Thorn and U-he Bazille and Dune for the price of a beer, plus dozens of other plugins.

Agreed

[DarkStar]

And, has anyone tried it out with Blue Cat Audio's PatchWork, or similar?

[pdxindy]

This is how a free market works. You either adjust or go out of business. Be good or be good at it.

Adjust to what? A few internet complainers? Means nothing.

Bitwig is doing just fine. Their userbase is growing, the software is being developed at a good pace and in a direction plenty of users are pleased with.

[toonertik]

This is how a free market works. You either adjust or go out of business. Be good or be good at it.

Adjust to what? A few internet complainers? Means nothing.

Bitwig is doing just fine. Their userbase is growing, the software is being developed at a good pace and in a direction plenty of users are pleased with.

Except the KVRers who can't even stomach a free lunch...

[Reefius]

This is how a free market works. You either adjust or go out of business. Be good or be good at it.

Adjust to what? A few internet complainers? Means nothing.

Bitwig is doing just fine. Their userbase is growing, the software is being developed at a good pace and in a direction plenty of users are pleased with.

Always funny to see a single user thinking their opinion is the opinion of the entire userbase.

[toonertik]

And, has anyone tried it out with Blue Cat Audio's PatchWork, or similar?

Good one.. I might install New Sonic Arts Freestyle from the CM mag...
Oh hang on... I am on KVR>> here comes the moan..
It only loads the CM plugins... pfffff!
So that will be the Bazille_CM... Thorn_CM, Zebra_CM etc along with compressors and EQ's etc etc...
I feel so limited now>>>

[pdxindy]

I guess if people think the full commercial version of Bitwig Studio (plus probably 3 free major updates in the next year if the last year was anything to go by) isn't worth 220 bucks Bitwig will have a hard future.

They mostly focus on people that really want Bitwig at any cost and that will probably just get 8 track as upgrade path, but there's enough of us that would buy it just to use it as the sketchpad, 220 bucks sketchpad, my full blown DAW cost even less and had 4-5 years of free updates, you do the math again.

I doubt Bitwig has any interest to sell you their hard work at a cheap price. Doesn't serve their interests. And it sounds like it is just a casual want from your side anyway. $220 is nothing for software that is actually useful for someone. 1 guitar can easily cost you $3000.

If you don't find $220 worth of use, then don't buy it. There is no problem.

[Zexila]

Always funny to see a single user thinking their opinion is the opinion of the entire userbase.

Yeah, wish they just hire him so we can at least talk to representative of the company for a change.

[pdxindy]

I agree, but how would you (or perhaps MAC users that love Bitwig) feel if MS bought Bitwig and made it exclusively for PC.

Its hardly egalitarian what Apple are doing, the opposite in fact of 'better free version' or 'cheaper versions to give people more choice' (which I support if the business model works for BW....but I am not sure how that then ties in with the update plan?)

...if we move to a world of 'only our hardware users' can use certain software then everyone suffers a lack of choice

Also, I miss Camel Audio

I would be bummed for a very short time if MS bought Bitwig, then I would move on. There are a number of different DAW's I could fulfill my musical interests with.

Also, I have no interest in consumer rights or people having more choices of what luxury stuff to buy.

I am interested in human rights, and people having access to food, shelter, clothing, safe from war and so on.

[Zexila]

I doubt Bitwig has any interest to sell you their hard work at a cheap price. Doesn't serve their interests.

What is their interest? Seems like you are actually deeply involved with the company?

[pdxindy]

Why should Bitwig need to give away a better/more useful free version?
They shouldn't if it doesn't work for them, its their business.

I am 'pro choice' I like additional cheaper versions of software so more people can access it and pro - 'cross platform' so more people can access it....A bigger user group is good, more feedback, helpful videos and devices being made.

But Bitwig doesn't have "free" version, both mag/hardware one are obtained after the purchase and you could even sell it for some buck, but disregarding that, I'm with you on second one, give people choices or give people something more usable with what you already gave, but again, they know the best, that's without a question, their business move, hope that turns out the best for them, they didn't targeted me and people like me with that decisions, but you can't please everybody, especially if we are really tiny share of the market.

Exactly, they cannot please everyone. And the thing is, with a small company, it is not necessarily even a matter of what they choose, but may be the only option for the amount of time they have.

Ideas of they should do this or that get thrown out because of course it takes no time to throw out ideas. A lite for pay version of Bitwig requires just as much tech support as the full version. If Bitwig makes a $49 lite version, and 10 people buy it and because of that even 1 person doesn't buy the full version, they likely have not benefitted. Now they have to do ongoing support for those 10 people who paid basically nothing.

[Zexila]

You are right, I'm out of Bitwig for good, it's not company or community I want to get involved with, have a nice time and blast making music.

Also sorry guys for any harsh words and insults, got carried away a little.