DUNE 3 is now available!!

[AnX]

I can't believe Synapse didn't properly test this in any Daw's before releasing it.... crashing, Daws on both Mac & PC platforms.

no, they just made it and released it

OS?
Comp spec?
Host?
Steps to reproduce?

Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium
Core I7 920 CPU @ 3.56 GHz,
Zalman CNPS10X Extreme Cooler,
Gigabyte EX58 UD5 Motherboard,
16 Gigs of Kingston DDR3 Ram,
Nvidia GTS Palit 1 Gig Graphics Card,
Antec True Blue 700 Watt PSU
3 7200RPM Hard Drives,
Coolermaster Scout Case,
Focusright Pro 14 Audio Interface.

Software used, Presonus Studio One ( version 4.1.1 )

The steps to reproduce was twiddling all the knobs, attempting to import a wave file, being told that only mono are allowed, carried on drawing, different waveform shapes to make different sounds. Closed the plugin, compared it to Hive, went back to open up Dune 3 again after 15 -20 minutes, instant crash. Studio One pops up notification, that it 'has stopped responding', and crashes back to desktop with no reason or warning of the plugin not working, before or after). Studio One could not see the plugin initially, I had to set the rescan in the options. There was no notification of any plugin's crashing when Studio One restarted, but it was already set to rescan plugins because that's what I had to do previously to get Dune 3 to show up.

thanks, info sent over

[JunSev]

Is really helpful to back up the licenses in external hard drive (never Ilok or similar dongles) in case of system failure, updates and more.

Sure, but if you can install freely from backups, then anyone can. In other words, there is no protection at all. At some point, a connection needs to be established, at least once. We chose to go for one-time activation because we believe a plugin, once authorized, should never connect to the internet or require anything else (like a dongle for example).

Richard

Ok I can see, although is not like big nightmare way of copy protection, still there is a issue present, it means that is not completely independent from the company in general and no keys, I don't think that your intention is bad, you just want to secure your software. But there is not other way?

Some people complain about Tone2 copy protection because it goes and eliminate the blacklisted keys, I don't think that is bad because that's what it does, goes and eliminate blacklisted keys (they just want to protect their synths), is an independent method and even if the company is not there in years or whatever that might happen, I know I will have the back up and the synths will be safe. This was one of the reasons I completely changed my mind when I was about to get Avenger (is not like Ilok or other but similarities are there, they changed the authorization to System ID and already is not possible with just users license/key, is dependent of the company). Would be nice some more alternatives, thanks.

[Stefken]

Anx, you're starting to sound like the sergeant who has to keep the troops in line. Robin complex? We get you're a fan.

[AnX]

Anx, you're starting to sound like the sergeant who has to keep the troops in line. Robin complex? We get you're a fan.

ok... who's robin?

[Stefken]

Batman's sidekick.

[AnX]

right.... ok

[rob_lee]

Dune 3 seems to be able to make nice classic sounds too.



It's quite a fab synth and easy to program.

Congrats Richard

[JunSev]

So based on some possible future where the plugin stops working and the dev goes out of business and they didn't leave any method to keep the plugin working you'll pass on that plugin altogether ?

Seems a shame to pass on such a great synth just because of unjustified paranoia. If Synapse were a new company run by unknown developers I could see the fear being justified but with a company that's been around for going on two decades now and that is run by really nice people who don't strike me as the type who would just screw over their users in case things go bad I think it's unjustified paranoia.

For the record I'm as anti-copy protection as anyone but the Synapse method is totally painless. I think you're over reacting. But I won't buy a dongle so to each his own....

Wait a minute... can someone explain me how the copy protection of dune 3 works?

Sure, after installation DUNE 3 asks for the serial number. Then it connects to the internet once (if offline activation is used, then never) and activates the license, that's it. It is a very simple system we started with The Legend, it has worked very well for us so far. In terms of problems that our users have, activation-related problems rank the lowest - much more frequent issues are lost passwords, OS or host specific issues for instance. I'm sure if we used a dongle we would have a lot more work to do, so we are really happy with this system.

Richard

Hi Richard thanks for response, so if I prefer to activate offline I just need the serial when I buy the synth and it generate the license? so in that way on case of system crash or accident I can use my my saved license always?

By the way I have Tone2 synths and I like U-he synths because of that, also other synths and effects that works this way and Is really helpful to back up the licenses in external hard drive (never Ilok or similar dongles) in case of system failure, updates and more.

No. It's challenge/response. It's just that via online activation, the challenge/response part happens behind the scenes via phoning home. With offline activation you need to take care of it manually. In other words, it's not just simple serial, it's machine ID based.

Ok I can see.

[gort11112]

well, could use some newsletter about Dune 3 release... wouldn't know, just random KVR check...

[Cinebient]

Dune 3 seems to be able to make nice classic sounds too.



It's quite a fab synth and easy to program.

Congrats Richard

Nothing to see here....

[vurt]

Batman's sidekick.

and who is batman?
(in the analogy, i know the dark knights secret identity)

[Stefken]

Batman's sidekick.

and who is batman?

Only the joker knows. ( I'm not kidding here).

[chk071]

Dune 3 seems to be able to make nice classic sounds too.



It's quite a fab synth and easy to program.

Congrats Richard

Nothing to see here....

Yeah, would have liked to watch.

[Yorrrrrr]

Yes, I believe more in Rob Lee than any of you forum lurkers. Bring it on Rob! BTW, DUNE 3 is amazing, DUNE 2 on steroids. Congrats Richard.

[Vertion]

I own a license for Legend and Dune 2. However, I never get too close to a product that can't be naturally gemified (exist by itself). I dumped Legend and kept Dune 2 for this reason, it's also the reason I'll never buy a Dune 3 license or use it.

Frankly, I have the knowledge to bypass any software copy protection I find, but I don't, I buy all my software, as I develop software myself, and see it as what comes around goes around. I honor developers that honor their customers, it's hard work and a tough market. In view of my knowledge, I find online challenge/response insulting to my good will, abilities, and investment.

I have high respect for U-he, Tone2, Audio Damage and others who use basic serial protection or none at all. Copy protection is a message to pay for a license, nothing more, but nothing that can ever stop usage of the software functions by a skilled coder if the binary is there, so anything else is an inconvenience to the user and most know this. Which is why copy protection should never be taken seriously beyond a simple offline serial. Where one can backup their software, and know it will be there as long as needed to be, potentially long after the life of the product and company. Developers must factor this in, as a customer, and dev, I certainly do.