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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Ok, that's explains it. If you had to play it two octaves lower, it must have been a table with 512 samples per cycle. SO you#d actually play 4 cycles at once, which typically sounds very grainy. You can fix that in Hive by renaming the file to "ARR -WT512.wav". Or use the 2048 version you posted.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:30 pm

The unshushable Coktor wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:26 pm
fmr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm I was checking, and I may have used the wrong wavetable in Hive.
Yes, thanks for that. Could you fix the Hive example in your above comparison post and use the correct wavetable please?
I tried it myself in Hive and it's clean with the correct wavetable.

Taking care of that right now. Will correct the audio examples, and the links in the original post as soon as I finish it.

EDIT: All ARR recordings replaced, except for Nave, which wasn't necessary, and for HALion (will have to redo the HALion wavetable). In the meanwhile, I corrected the HALion wavetable, and published the correct recording for it also.

EDIT 2: All recordings redone, with the presets tweaked so they sound closer to each other in terms of the way wavetables are read.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:49 pm

fmr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:19 pm
The unshushable Coktor wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:39 pm Hi fmr,
many of the wavetable synths you used offer various different interpolation methods (or sometimes no interpolation) too, could you maybe also say which ones you've used in each example?
Hi:

I always tried to use the default options. For example, in Hive, I used "crossfade". In HALion, I also used crossfade (10%). Mode of building wavetables is equal distance, with fixed length (but that is only meaningful for the resynthesis process). In Icarus, the oscillator mode is None/Partial (obviously), and in mono. Actually, in all synths that offered mono or stereo options to read the wavetable, I always chose mono. Also, for all that have Unison option, that option was turned off, of course. In Serum, the warp is set to 0. LFO (the modulator I chose to travel de WT), was set to a smooth of 50%. In Falcon, all options were set to 0 or their default options. In Nave, all modulations were set to 0 also. The only modulation used (in all of them) was the one needed to make the wavetable "travel" (except for amplitude envelopes, of course).

Only one oscillator was used. No duplication of wavetables. As I said, I did my best to keep the wavetable reading as neutral as I could.

Icarus has also the fade parameter which blends frames (or not)

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:14 pm

pdxindy wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:49 pm Icarus has also the fade parameter which blends frames (or not)

True. That is by default at 50, and, faithful to the principle of using the default parameters, I left it at the default value. The same way, I used the "crossfade" option in Hive.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:10 am

fmr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:14 pm
pdxindy wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:49 pm Icarus has also the fade parameter which blends frames (or not)
True. That is by default at 50, and, faithful to the principle of using the default parameters, I left it at the default value. The same way, I used the "crossfade" option in Hive.

A fine choice... Serum is the same as Icarus fade at 0 as Serum does not do any blending between frames.

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:02 pm

where do we get hive with wt in the middle?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:58 pm

Nowhere yet.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:42 pm

OK, I decided to make a second go with my comparative recordings. I wasn't satisfied with the way the wavetables translated into HALion, therefore I decided I would have to go under an extensive study, to try to devise the correct procedure to have them faithfully translated. I even translated two full banks of wavetables (one from the PPG, and the other from the very first Reaktor library) which had settings completely different from the standard 2048 waves followed by Serum. I finally understood how things should be done, and managed to translate them accurately.

Then I revised the sequence used for the test, and also the presets in each of the instruments, trying that ALL wavetables would play more or less at the same speed. The job is finished now, and all the previous links were updated with the latest recordings. I think now we can have a better term of comparison.

The links are in previous page (page 23): viewtopic.php?f=31&t=511390&start=338

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 pm

No mention of the update in here?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:13 pm

Biome_Digital wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 pm No mention of the update in here?

hehehe, there's a dedicated thread for that... I will replace this thread with a overview of all resources regarding wavetable creation and import.... once I get to it...

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:25 pm

Urs wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:13 pm
Biome_Digital wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 pm No mention of the update in here?
hehehe, there's a dedicated thread for that... I will replace this thread with a overview of all resources regarding wavetable creation and import.... once I get to it...

There aren't that many, but I guess the most importants (because they are good and because they are free) are:

Mathias Gurk Audio-Term (that's a great tool, not only for wavetable creation but also for mangle samples):

https://www.facebook.com/Audioterm (information, and links to download the program and a manual)

Windows only. The program GUI is a little awckward (doesn't follow the standard Windows paradigm) but it can create wavetables in a variety of formats (besides other sample editing capabilities). The Serum format, which is one of the supported ones, can be read directly by Hive "as is".

Synthesis Technology WaveEdit:

http://synthtech.com/waveedit/

Available for Windows, macOS and Linux. This program outputs the wavetables in a format that has 64 cycles of 256 samples each. You have to name these wavetables with a suffix to allow them to be correctly read by Hive. For example, a wavetable named "AudioEdit.wav" has to be renamed "AudioEdit -WT256.wav".

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:31 pm

I was mostly thinking about specialized threads, like the uhm tutorials. Like, one Sticky as a hub to all the important threads (including threads about editors, of course).

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:17 pm

^ I think a uhm thread would be great, since I'm still pretty clueless about it. Would be nice to go back over the basics and learn more about it all in one place.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:21 pm

Sound Author wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:17 pm ^ I think a uhm thread would be great, since I'm still pretty clueless about it. Would be nice to go back over the basics and learn more about it all in one place.

That, and we need a place to post a little update already once the automatic loading and proper error messages are fixed

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:34 pm

Hi...thank you U-he. HIVE made a great improvement with the new update. The Wavetables make it far more versatile in sound-options and I like that very much. Keep up the great work

Have a great christmas-time.

P.S.
I am looking forward to try out the new spring reverb beta / thank you for that one too

u-he

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