SampleTank 4 on the way

[David]

Are all the listed Player tools (arpeggios, guitar strums, MIDI patterns, and loops) available at every level, or are they limited in some ways in the SE version? Thanks!

The SE version is not limited, no.

Excellent, thanks!

MIDI out available from Sampletank, by chance?

[c_voltage]

Notice on ST4 screenshots that the sample start point playback available for modulation in mod.matrix, that quite not a bad.

[PointOfDeparture]

Thanks for answer. And what about installing only selected instruments, it is possible? For example can I install only Ethnic, Acoustic Drums and Bass category from page you provide?

If the sound library downloads are presented like with ST3, I'm not sure how easy it would be to narrow down which sound installer contained which instruments.

ST3 has the download files listed as generic "SampleTank 3 Sound Content Part x", where x is 1-8.

If there is a cross reference it would be helpful to know what content installers one could skip if desired.

Hopefully they will split it up into more pieces like the Syntronik downloads.

[PointOfDeparture]

Looks like a solid improvement on the unuser friendly ST3. As someone with all but the last ST expansions, not sure I can afford to upgrade at the moment (will need to check Jam points) this close to Christmas. Can the pre-order price be extended to release date (like ST3 was) or is this going live on Jan 1st?

Happy Birthday Peter, btw.

I agree that the pre-order price should be extended...maybe Feb 1st? That would give most people enough time to refill their GAS coffers.

[PointOfDeparture]

I also agree with others that we need a more extensive listing of instruments (sizes, names, categories, etc.) for all the various tiers as well as a comparison to ST3 offerings. There's gotta be a database or spreadsheet with this info somewhere that IK can quickly gussy up and post.

[JonSolo]

There is enough of me willing to give ST4 a shot, but I am just so dismayed by their pricing scheme. Not the update cost...that is fine. I get it...tons of new content. Fine. But as mentioned, something more granular to get to their Max bundles makes so much more sense. As I said before I own so many of their base products...things I feel like I am paying for again with a crossgrade.

I remember being a huge Sampletank 2 and T-Racks 24 fan.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I also agree with others that we need a more extensive listing of instruments (sizes, names, categories, etc.) for all the various tiers as well as a comparison to ST3 offerings. There's gotta be a database or spreadsheet with this info somewhere that IK can quickly gussy up and post.

Right now the information available about sounds is at https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/st4/#sounds

I will relay your request for more specifics as we get closer to release to the team.

[MarcN58T]

We'll have to agree to disagree as there is a ton of depth and these sounds compete directly with what you feel are better, Burillo. You'll have more examples as time passes and certainly when you and others can use SampleTank 4 and truly see, hear, feel, and create what we're talking about here. It was no small endeavor and I'm 100% confident it will show and many will wish they took advantage of the savings offered today.

There are also many who feel our guitars and basses (not just American Acoustic which is indeed a masterpiece though) are already great and very realistic and use them that way since SampleTank 3's release. You may have heard them somewhere, but didn't realize if it wasn't specified as ST3 so there would be no chance for preconceived notions

Edit - also note that on some guitar parts the strummer may not be used and/or the performer in some cases CHOSE a more "electronic" type of approach to suit the material.

Thanks everyone for all your replies. Looks like American Acoustic is one great sample library.

I’m sorry, I didn’t pay attention to the video and promo which said the new guitars and basses are “better than American Acoustic”. So definitely I expect them to be just as articulation-comprehensive (with hammer ons, strums, slides, etc.) as American Acoustic and of higher sound quality. Hope they will be quite usable in a pop/rock mix and in solo (although they might not be on the level of UVI/Kontakt with advanced scripting, hope you can convince me otherwise, Peter).

We definitely need more information on the new guitars as the demos are all electronic, pop and RnB oriented.

Also I still wonder if the guitars and basses are going to be on SE... in the future, I suggest making all the categories a la carte purchases... buy what you need. I don’t know if it’s mentioned already because I’m reading on mobile.

[Grizzellda]

I mentioned it earlier, and will re-iterate because it is something I have been thinking about...

Is SampleTank 4 simply a modern, sophisticated library player?

And when I say simply, well that is in the midst of today's technology, right?

And so what, really...just wanna get stuff straight here.

[scatman84]

I really wish there was a better upgrade option for previous owners of ST or a ton of other products. People have been asking this for years but it seems like old customers get lumped into the same boat as someone who bought two Syntroniks three months ago.

It would need to be a single 99.99+ purchase. The pricing for upgrade for existing SampleTank 3 users and 99.99+ qualifiers is the lowest we'd be going. You're not being denied a better price, we merely extended the upgrade/crossgrade pricing to another group of users as well.

Hi Peter,

Good to see ST4 coming, but for ST4 MAX there must be a better upgrade deal for at least ST3 MAX users, right? Also I have made many $99 & more single purchases from IK (Lurssen Mastering, TR5 MAX, ST3 MAX, MODO BASS) - So I have been your very loyal customer, there has to be a better upgrade deal for user base like us! Don't you agree?

Based on purchases, you could offer these deals in our accounts - at least for ST3 MAX, TR5 MAX users!
Because you have used many of T-Racks 5 fx into this! So please give us ST3 MAX & TR5 MAX users better upgrade path!

Please consider this. Somehow it doesn't feel right that we are being put into same category as someone who recently bought $99 product from you.

Have at least 2 tiers of users whom you can offer different levels of upgrade path...

[Ben H]

Hi Peter,

Good to see ST4 coming, but for ST4 MAX there must be a better upgrade deal for at least ST3 MAX users, right? Also I have made many $99 & more single purchases from IK (Lurssen Mastering, TR5 MAX, ST3 MAX, MODO BASS) - So I have been your most loyal customers, there has to be a better upgrade deal for user base like us! Don't you agree?

Based on purchases, you could offer these deals in our accounts - at least for ST3 MAX, TR5 MAX users!
Because you have used many of T-Racks 5 fx into this! So please give is ST3 MAX & TR5 MAX users better upgrade path!

Please consider this. Somehow it doesn't feel right that we are being put into same category as someone who recently bought $99 product from you.

Have at least 2 tiers of users whom you can offer different levels of upgrade path...

They wont do this.

They never listened to their Sampletank 2 XL and XXL customers when the owners who had forked out 100s more for the version were given the same upgrade deal as those who purchased ST2 for pennies later on.

I never upgraded to V3 and made the decision not to deal with companies who choose to shit on their loyal, long-term customers.

Good to see that they are consistent with their behaviour and policies now with the upgrade from V3 to V4 though.

[SLiC]

This policy is common amongs most software companies.... maybe companies in general (we used to have an advert about it in the UK, all the great deals for ‘brand new customers only’)
People who own older, smaller bundles, cheaper products etc always seem to get better value when upgrading to new products/bigger bundles. NI are famous for this, but Arturia the same (upgrade to V6 price the same from V5 as it is 2) and don’t even get me started in iZotope!

To be fair, IK like e dry one else just want a simple price structure (especially if you sell through distributors) and it would be a nightmare to manage dozens of different upgrade prices (and people would still complain anyway!)

We all know, if you realy want a lower price, bottle you GAS and just wait...

[Elektronisch]

I really wish there was a better upgrade option for previous owners of ST or a ton of other products. People have been asking this for years but it seems like old customers get lumped into the same boat as someone who bought two Syntroniks three months ago.

It would need to be a single 99.99+ purchase. The pricing for upgrade for existing SampleTank 3 users and 99.99+ qualifiers is the lowest we'd be going. You're not being denied a better price, we merely extended the upgrade/crossgrade pricing to another group of users as well.

Sorry Peter, i like the products of IK and i understand its your job to give those mechanic answers, but answers like these you get from corporate people, cold, giving zero real sense of understanding is that an answer to question or just a template answer to anyone who is bitching

Right now that i dont have any sampletank version, i love that i have ability to get ST for such price and i have no reason to bitch and i thank you for that (hands down), but i perfectly understand loayal customers who did paid money and dont get any loyalty advantage, actually i myself bitched about that alot in the past (guilty )

The bad side of this good side is that anyone who will jump on board on these awesome offers with the next Sampletank version will feel the same way as users now who bought Sampletank 3 MAX some time ago because they will not have perks of being a loayal customer, think about that, because it will be a neverending loop

[Burillo]

if JamPoints went down to 50% instead of 30% (barely covering VAT), i would've felt very differently about the preorder as a loyal IK customer. as it stands, JamPoints simply make no sense for EU customers.

[kgdrum]

Well as a long time Sampletank user,I'm skeptical to say the least. After waiting for way too long for the ST3 upgrade which was a total meh experience.
IMO ST3 was not worth the time,$$ or disk space by todays standards,I'm comparing ST3 to Kontakt,Falcon etc.....
IMO IK needs to step up their game big time to compete with these other companies and products.
The ST3 upgrade IMO was way too expensive and IMO now asking people like me who felt played to pay again for probably what should have been ST3 is over the line of reasonable marketing and development.
If the upgrade was minimally priced like $49 I might hesitantly consider it but after the ST2 to ST3 stall and for me useless 1/2 baked money grabbing update I will have a very hard time justifying the ST4 upgrade.
This is just my opinion.