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Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:53 am

EvilDragon wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:22 am
Teksonik wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:01 am
layzer wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:41 am
i demo'd it a few years ago and quickly discarded it, and went with other
synths that were much more CPU efficient.
Translation: It won't run on my Pentium 4......
Pretty much. There's no reasoning with that guy...

Charlatan doesn't have half the features that Tyrell has: loopable envelopes, one more LFO, hard/soft sync, ringmod, mod matrix, filter spread parameter, duophonic mode, and its filter is not exciting at all... It is no contest. But sure, if you have a crap machine like layzer, Charlatan is "better". But it isn't. It doesn't sound "just as good", that's a fallacy. Even without effects the sound quality of Tyrell is just on a higher level.

It's like comparing a Fiat and a BMW. Both will get you from point A to point B, but you will have a helluva lot better drive in the BMW, even if it will use more fuel to do so - it's totally worth it.

Well, depends on the model of course

But yeah, Charlatan is a totally different synth.
I mean i prefer Podolski

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:55 am

Oh and of course much thank‘s to the OP for the works he puts into it. Deserves of course more than another X vs.Y troll message.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:25 am

EvilDragon wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:22 am
Teksonik wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:01 am
layzer wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:41 am
i demo'd it a few years ago and quickly discarded it, and went with other
synths that were much more CPU efficient.
Translation: It won't run on my Pentium 4......
Pretty much. There's no reasoning with that guy...

Charlatan doesn't have half the features that Tyrell has: loopable envelopes, one more LFO, hard/soft sync, ringmod, mod matrix, filter spread parameter, duophonic mode, and its filter is not exciting at all... It is no contest. But sure, if you have a crap machine like layzer, Charlatan is "better". But it isn't. It doesn't sound "just as good", that's a fallacy. Even without effects the sound quality of Tyrell is just on a higher level.

It's like comparing a Fiat and a BMW. Both will get you from point A to point B, but you will have a helluva lot better drive in the BMW, even if it will use more fuel to do so - it's totally worth it.

I'd disagree and say that Charlatan doesn't sound much worse. The big difference, and the reason why you think Tyrell's filter is so much better is probably because of the massive saturation in it, when you crank up the resonance. Charlatan doesn't do it. There's some saturation in the 12 dB low pass filter though. The 24 dB lp is pretty clean. Sounds great though. I never really liked the Tyrell filter, TBH. I wished it was cleaner.

Anyway, Charlatan IMO is a very underrated synth. And, i would probably use it much more if it had more features, and, especially, more polyphony. Especially its supersaw gives some of the "usual suspect" synths a run for their money.

And it can do analog stuff very well too.

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:31 am

As Synth1, This is a good synth, sounds better than lot of commercial one IMO.
A shame it is no more updated !

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:04 am

chk071 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:25 amI'd disagree and say that Charlatan doesn't sound much worse. The big difference, and the reason why you think Tyrell's filter is so much better is probably because of the massive saturation in it, when you crank up the resonance. Charlatan doesn't do it.

Yep. Charlatan is way too clean, which to me is just not characterful enough. Ends up quite sterile sounding, at least as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't say it sounds bad, per se. Just that Tyrell sounds better, to me on an entirely another level. Not to mention all the features Charlatan just doesn't have. It's no contest

dave dove · Post by **dave dove** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:24 am

@zygomatic
Nice vid - looking forward to more

Tyrell is dead versatile, straightforward, great sounding and free
which makes it ideal for synthesis tutorials
I used it for some drum synthesis tuts a few years ago
its also Win, Mac and Linux so most people have access and can follow along...

some people just like to moan from the corner
ignore them

merry xmass

Dave

zygomatic · Post by **zygomatic** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:16 pm

Cinebient wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:55 am Oh and of course much thank‘s to the OP for the works he puts into it. Deserves of course more than another X vs.Y troll message.

Thank you very much, Cinebient!

I appreciate it. If you have a critique or a constructive suggestion please let it be seen.

zygomatic · Post by **zygomatic** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:23 pm

dave dove wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:24 am @zygomatic
Nice vid - looking forward to more

Thanks so much, Dave. It means a lot to me. I appreciate any feedback since I'm working on a sequel as we speak.

zygomatic · Post by **zygomatic** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:47 pm

dupont wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:31 am As Synth1, This is a good synth, sounds better than lot of commercial one IMO.
A shame it is no more updated !

The Charlatan's GUI reminds me somewhat of the Synth1's GUI. It is its simplicity I guess. For a freebie, the Synth1's unison section is a killer.

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:05 pm

EvilDragon wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:22 am
Teksonik wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:01 am
layzer wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:41 am
i demo'd it a few years ago and quickly discarded it, and went with other
synths that were much more CPU efficient.
Translation: It won't run on my Pentium 4......
Pretty much. There's no reasoning with that guy...

Charlatan doesn't have half the features that Tyrell has: loopable envelopes, one more LFO, hard/soft sync, ringmod, mod matrix, filter spread parameter, duophonic mode, and its filter is not exciting at all... It is no contest. But sure, if you have a crap machine like layzer, Charlatan is "better". But it isn't. It doesn't sound "just as good", that's a fallacy. Even without effects the sound quality of Tyrell is just on a higher level.

It's like comparing a Fiat and a BMW. Both will get you from point A to point B, but you will have a helluva lot better drive in the BMW, even if it will use more fuel to do so - it's totally worth it.

I wouldn't day that. Charlatan is a great synth. It is supposed to be simple but with a great sound.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:23 pm

Well, it's a subjective opinion. Fiats usually don't have all the options BMWs have by default, and revving them also definitely sounds different - BMWs sounding more exciting of course.

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:00 pm

Sure.

zygomatic · Post by **zygomatic** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:28 pm

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:23 pm Well, it's a subjective opinion. Fiats usually don't have all the options BMWs have by default, and revving them also definitely sounds different - BMWs sounding more exciting of course.

The only difference is that in arts the feeling you're trying to convey is what's important and not the vessel you're conveying it with. It's beyond material.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:36 pm

True, but vessels are definitely enablers of those feelings, too

zygomatic · Post by **zygomatic** » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:36 pm

It's supposed to be subjective. The synth or any other musical instrument for that matter is as powerful as the musician who plays it. Well, that's what I think anyway.

Tyrell N6 Quick Tip YouTube video series