Why the iLok hate?

[himalaya]

If ilok is a dealbreaker for you then indeed don't buy the plugin that requires it.

And indeed, I have refrained from buying many, many iLoked plugins, like many other people.
But again, this binary approach you propose is not helpful. Like I said, there are some brilliant plugins only available with iLok, stuff some of us would want to use, if not for iLok and personally, I have taken the risk with soft-ilok and a few chosen plugins. (soft and not a dongle for the reasons given in my first post in this thread).
If my computer dies, I am at the mercy of the dev to issue me with another licence. This shouldn't be. Hence the critical voices about iLok. Don't silence them by repeatedly stating: "don't buy it if you don't like iLok". The purchasing decision making here does not centre around such a simplistic 'black and white' approach.

[pdxindy]

What exactly will change about it with a post on KVR?

It might change one persons mind and then they choose not to use iLok. In that case, it is a post well worth the time!

[chk071]

All of my plugins, except for R2, have multiple activations. So, nope, in most cases, you are not at the mercy of the devs to issue another license. Also, as far as i read, you will most likely not have a problem getting new activations issued.

You know, i really don't want to advocate the whole time, it's just that 99% of the claims against iLok don't seem to be true.

What exactly will change about it with a post on KVR?

It might change one persons mind and then they choose not to use iLok. In that case, it is a post well worth the time!

Really, that's the way you want to act? Sorry, not my cup of tea. I believe in the ability of people to think and act for themselves. I'm not the type to go around telling people what to do.

[pdxindy]

Really, that's the way you want to act? Sorry, not my cup of tea. I believe in the ability of people to think and act for themselves. I'm not the type to go around telling people what to do.

Good to know... so if I ever see a fire coming close to your house, I wont tell you cause you will just be mad that someone is telling you what to do

[chk071]

Well... as i wrote above, if such things are false alarms 99% of the time, then, yeah... i guess i'd be glad if you wouldn't tell me. Apart from giving you a curious glance. Hehe.

[morelia]

If ilok is a dealbreaker for you then indeed don't buy the plugin that requires it.

Yes, ultimately if you don't like something don't buy it. But it's not that simple to me. I resisted iLok plugins for a long time, then one day I found something I really wanted so I took the chance. Intermittent problems but worth it to have a plugin I get a lot of use out of. Maybe like a really good dog that once in a while just barks all night. If I complain I suppose it would be reasonable to say I should have bought a cat. I don't, I think it's perfectly reasonable to complain once in a while when something is not behaving as expected.

There are some plugins I really like and they use iLok. I'll continue to use them and I'll continue to bash iLok when it causes me grief. I can't see any reason not to do both. Maybe you're not talking to me because clearly iLok isn't a deal breaker in my situation. Just an occasional PITA.

[JunSev]

ilok software is begging for trouble, and a disaster waiting to happen, for reasons mentioned above and so many places elsewhere.
ilok cloud showed it limitations today.
I only use ilok hardware, and in over 18 years it has rarely if ever given me trouble.
rsp

You can see where is the problem with your conclusions? so you realize that Ilok software and the cloud is quite unpredictable, that ones can't simply trust it as option, but then you suggest that the Ilok dongle could be the "safest" of all solution when companies are trying exactly to portrait an image of confidence "no Ilok dongle required", yet the problem is still there? I doubt that is all fault of the user for fall for these sort of words, ones trust and then by the bad experience understand.

Again there are very reasonable reasons to talk about this, those are not imaginary or false things, those are real things that should change or be better.

[zvenx]

And in the 13 years I have been on kvr and the complaints have been constant, let's see.
Waves stopped. PsP started.

Which other developers have you guys change the minds of?

And in those 13 years quite a few new developers have emerged...who do use ilok.. That is I am sure they are more developers now who use ilok's than 13 years ago.
rsp

[morelia]

Just because it suddenly seems relevant. I don't record my thoughts about iLok issues because I think it will change anything. It's just venting. Like when I'm standing in the fruit and vegetable section of the local grocer and I notice the price of a tomato has suddenly doubled because the shop over the road is renovating. I may turn to the person next to me and comment on this. Off the cuff something like, "How about these tomato prices? Seems a bit unfair to gouge their customers just because an opportunity arose. By the way, I just met you and this is crazy, but early this morning my iLok got lazy." So basically I guess if you can take anything useful from this post it is that as far as I'm concerned an iLok is very much like a tomato, but only when focusing on very specific parameters of each object. For example, color is not one of the parameters where an iLok and a tomato are similar.

BTW, I just edited this post because I wrote "if" instead of "is". So I hope you can imagine, if that bothers me, how much could an expensive tomato push my buttons.

[Aloysius]

What iLok hate?

[samsam]

Just because it suddenly seems relevant. I don't record my thoughts about iLok issues because I think it will change anything. It's just venting. Like when I'm standing in the fruit and vegetable section of the local grocer and I notice the price of a tomato has suddenly doubled because the shop over the road is renovating. I may turn to the person next to me and comment on this. Off the cuff something like, "How about these tomato prices? Seems a bit unfair to gouge their customers just because an opportunity arose. By the way, I just met you and this is crazy, but early this morning my iLok got lazy." So basically I guess if you can take anything useful from this post it is that as far as I'm concerned an iLok is very much like a tomato, but only when focusing of very specific parameters of each object. For example, color is not one of these parameters where an iLok and a tomato are similar.

BTW, I just edited this post because I wrote "if" instead of "is". So I hope you can imagine, if that bothers me, how much could an expensive tomato push my buttons.

Should have also corrected "focusing of'", no?

[morelia]

Should have also corrected "focusing of'", no?

Dammit! Thank you.

[zvenx]

Should have also corrected "focusing of'", no?

Dammit! Thank you.

rsp

[BlueprintInc]

First read about the ilok bashing and then ended up buying Zynaptiq Adaptiverb, because I found a list of devs using ilok Thx for that! No non-ilok competitor, best investment this year.

[chk071]

What iLok hate?

The one from those couple of guys online, claiming to speak for everyone. I don't blame you for not noticing though, they're really hardly existant.