Thesys is also a good one to me and I love using it. It has the same problem as my favorite one that to me spanks the living daylights out of the others. There are some good ones out there, but it's an fx and instrument, so you get two for one.dandezebra wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:48 am I love Thesys but it desperately needs an update and resizable GUI!
I wish that some iPad midi apps would be ported to the Windows multi-touch environment but " it's not something they plan to do" I am sure. A couple have made the move from iPAd to Windows and charge more $$$ for the VST. My 23" multi-touch monitor is not getting the use I had hoped for.onerob wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:06 pm I do wish Cableguys would make Midishaper available as a proper MIDI FX in AU format. I don't think it would be very difficult but I emailed them and they said it's not something they plan to do.
If you are mac you could use reaper and feed the included white noise generator through Gatekeeper and use that to control automation of CCs etconerob wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:06 pm I do wish Cableguys would make Midishaper available as a proper MIDI FX in AU format. I don't think it would be very difficult but I emailed them and they said it's not something they plan to do.
Here the iPad thread. I hope it gets a good response to help us with the iPad midi app possibilitiesbharris22 wrote: Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:49 pm+1 for an iPad MIDI thread. I just rehabilitated an old iPad specifically to run iOS MIDI apps into my modular setup, and would be very interested to learn what is available and recommended.Kalamata Kid wrote: Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:25 pmGlad you mentioned iPad midi apps. I have the iPad/Connetmidi2+ setup.Cinebient wrote: Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:53 pm Simple....Logic´s included arp and Cthulhu sometimes. Otherwise i love some iOS apps as midi controller, sequencer, arp. So much more fun and immediate to use. Even using 4 or more different arps at the same time is more fun on multi-touch (if you just don´t want to trigger them all at the same time in the same way).
Most MIDI FX on desktop are terrible in terms of workflow and GUI and unflexible for live tweaking.
But there are some gems in the Reaktor community like Spiral or Nod-E (or how it´s called).
see my studio shot:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7760&p=6718002#p6718002
Perhaps start an iPad Everything and Anything MIDI thread at the Mobile Apps and Hardware forum?
Xotopad work great on my 23" multi-touch monitor.
"4 or more different arps at the same time" in parallel I assume or serial?
I thought of two but four?
nathanj wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:07 am Anyone tried Re-compose I2C8?
I have Liquid Notes and had an option to crossgrade which I'm regretting I didn't jump on. Who does time limited crossgrade offers? Magix does but they're such a weird company.
Anyways, it looks like a nice simple tool for chord generation. Hopefully they offer some similar discount again soon. I never jelled with Liquid Notes because it was such a cumbersome tool to use. I did like the results but it was just such a hassle to set up.
Nathan
David thanks for the thorough review of Rapid Composer and EzKeys.David wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:33 am This holiday season is shaping up to be one Golden Hour for MIDI FX…both for us all, and esp. in my world where they're already amongst my favorite tools. Loomer Architect is about burst upon us all, but in MY studio, I've just this weekend cracked the lid on some older apps that have already proved they'll be game changers for me, maybe as much as Architect probably will also be, in very different ways (which is always good:).
First, there's RapidComposer, which has the best list of MIDI-mangling algorithms I've seen, and definitely takes the cake for randomization control and depth when generating new stuff:
"Included rhythm generators: Schillinger's Interference, Polyrhythm, Subdivision, Generic Rhythm, Probabilistic Rhythm, Euclidean Rhythm, Smooth Rhythm, Bass Rhythm, Simple Intervals, Toggle Intervals
Included phrase generators: Arpeggiator, Bass Generator, Chord Generator, Dyads Run, Generator, Fingerpicking Generator, Generic Generator, Phrase Container, Piano Run Generator, Strings Staccato Generator, only in the full edition: Melody Generator, Random Melody Generator, Phrase Morpher
Included variations: Add Chord Notes, Add Interval, Adjust Note Lengths, Apply Rhythm, Audio Gain, Delay Notes, Double Note, Double Phrase, Expression, Extract Rhythm, Humanize, Join Notes, Limit Note Range, MIDI Echo, Make Monophonic, Mirror Horizontally, Mirror Vertically, Permute Chord Notes, Quantize, Remove Note, Remove Short Notes, Rests, Rotate Notes, Simplify Phrase, Spread Out Chord Notes, Staccato-Legato, Strumming, Swap Chord Notes, Swing, Transpose, Triple Phrase, Velocity, Velocity Generator
Melody generation (full edition only), melody auto-harmonization using 2 methods…"
http://www.musicdevelopments.com/features.html
Then there's, believe it or not, EzKeys:
[quoting myself from here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=517114&p=7268696#p7268696]
"FWIW, I'm a collector of MIDI FX and am also waiting with very little patience to explore Architect, but I just recently got another one that's quite blowing my mind, since it does something that seems unique to me, never having seen any other tool that exactly does what it does, and does very easily.
It's that old horse EzKeys, which I just picked up here for $50 (posted a WTB and quickly got several replies willing to sell for that price).
I'd recently seen on YouTube some excellent tutorials about it, along with and compared to Scaler, Instachord, Captain, etc. (—though my own musical interests are very far from those of the video maker; he IS a good explainer!), and as a result saw that EzKeys isn't just the way over-priced, Band-In-A-Box sort of tool (retail $179!!) it appears to be, for making jingles and commercial-track mimics, etc. while spending another fortune on their "in-app" options for new instrument sounds and MIDI style packs.
Nah, the killer feature here is it lets you run almost any sort of one-track (solo-instrument) MIDI file, NOT just the factory ones (tho it does come by default with a good bit of quite interesting stuff, from very basic to very stylized, the same in every engine version) through any sort of chord progression with lots of very fast ways to generate, tweak, and randomize the progressions, as well as analyze melodies you throw at it to create new ones.
I've been collecting MIDI files, too, for many years going back to the early 90s, and have a ton of everything from short phrase/style/chord/progression clips to complete solo-instrument pieces from medieval to modern times—many found free online—along with the many oddball clips and tracks I've compulsively saved out myself from years of DAW/arp/MIDI-FX tinkering, despite having rarely found any serious use for them.
But NOW, in EzKeys, I can load or invent any kind and length of progression, and with a click, audition it as played through by virtually any of my MIDI collection, as well as easily drag out, DAW-mangle and drag back in whatever stuff I hit on. All while using my own sound makers, not the built-in instruments at all, tho some are quite nice.
Bottom line, I'm finally using my MIDI-file and MIDI-gen collections in the way I'd always vaguely hoped they'd be good for, merging and morphing them around so easily with other sorts of harmonies, both randomized AND well-established, and getting a very high percentage of useable and delightfully surprising results, compared to any of the general, typical, or even a-typical, randomize-it or arp-it techniques I'd often previously dabbled with using my MIDI-FX arsenal, and usually quickly tired of, up til now.
It's definitely re-defined the game, for me anyway."
Both of these older tools are unique and fresh for me (and even more so together) because they're not so much manglers or super arps like most of my already loved tools mentioned up-tread in my first post here, but because they're all about building traditional musical structures in very easy and also very deep ways, quite as well as facilitating endlessly surprising algorithmic mash-ups and concatenations.
I reluctantly must agree with the comment above about so many of these desktop tools having terrible GUIs, or simply being not fun to work with, either being too complicated or too simplified to make any sense of (Nora and Kameleono come to mind for me…both fascinating and assuredly powerful, but covered with fangs). There's no doubt that RC's powers, too, are hidden behind a space-shuttle-like interface, but EzKeys is quite brilliantly "E-Z", once you get that it's so much more than it appears to be, and is marketed as.
HNY!
David wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:33 am This holiday season is shaping up to be one Golden Hour for MIDI FX…both for us all, and esp. in my world where they're already amongst my favorite tools. Loomer Architect is about burst upon us all, but in MY studio, I've just this weekend cracked the lid on some older apps that have already proved they'll be game changers for me, maybe as much as Architect probably will also be, in very different ways (which is always good:).
First, there's RapidComposer, which has the best list of MIDI-mangling algorithms I've seen, and definitely takes the cake for randomization control and depth when generating new stuff:
"Included rhythm generators: Schillinger's Interference, Polyrhythm, Subdivision, Generic Rhythm, Probabilistic Rhythm, Euclidean Rhythm, Smooth Rhythm, Bass Rhythm, Simple Intervals, Toggle Intervals
Included phrase generators: Arpeggiator, Bass Generator, Chord Generator, Dyads Run, Generator, Fingerpicking Generator, Generic Generator, Phrase Container, Piano Run Generator, Strings Staccato Generator, only in the full edition: Melody Generator, Random Melody Generator, Phrase Morpher
Included variations: Add Chord Notes, Add Interval, Adjust Note Lengths, Apply Rhythm, Audio Gain, Delay Notes, Double Note, Double Phrase, Expression, Extract Rhythm, Humanize, Join Notes, Limit Note Range, MIDI Echo, Make Monophonic, Mirror Horizontally, Mirror Vertically, Permute Chord Notes, Quantize, Remove Note, Remove Short Notes, Rests, Rotate Notes, Simplify Phrase, Spread Out Chord Notes, Staccato-Legato, Strumming, Swap Chord Notes, Swing, Transpose, Triple Phrase, Velocity, Velocity Generator
Melody generation (full edition only), melody auto-harmonization using 2 methods…"
http://www.musicdevelopments.com/features.html
Then there's, believe it or not, EzKeys:
[quoting myself from here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=517114&p=7268696#p7268696]
"FWIW, I'm a collector of MIDI FX and am also waiting with very little patience to explore Architect, but I just recently got another one that's quite blowing my mind, since it does something that seems unique to me, never having seen any other tool that exactly does what it does, and does very easily.
It's that old horse EzKeys, which I just picked up here for $50 (posted a WTB and quickly got several replies willing to sell for that price).
I'd recently seen on YouTube some excellent tutorials about it, along with and compared to Scaler, Instachord, Captain, etc. (—though my own musical interests are very far from those of the video maker; he IS a good explainer!), and as a result saw that EzKeys isn't just the way over-priced, Band-In-A-Box sort of tool (retail $179!!) it appears to be, for making jingles and commercial-track mimics, etc. while spending another fortune on their "in-app" options for new instrument sounds and MIDI style packs.
Nah, the killer feature here is it lets you run almost any sort of one-track (solo-instrument) MIDI file, NOT just the factory ones (tho it does come by default with a good bit of quite interesting stuff, from very basic to very stylized, the same in every engine version) through any sort of chord progression with lots of very fast ways to generate, tweak, and randomize the progressions, as well as analyze melodies you throw at it to create new ones.
I've been collecting MIDI files, too, for many years going back to the early 90s, and have a ton of everything from short phrase/style/chord/progression clips to complete solo-instrument pieces from medieval to modern times—many found free online—along with the many oddball clips and tracks I've compulsively saved out myself from years of DAW/arp/MIDI-FX tinkering, despite having rarely found any serious use for them.
But NOW, in EzKeys, I can load or invent any kind and length of progression, and with a click, audition it as played through by virtually any of my MIDI collection, as well as easily drag out, DAW-mangle and drag back in whatever stuff I hit on. All while using my own sound makers, not the built-in instruments at all, tho some are quite nice.
Bottom line, I'm finally using my MIDI-file and MIDI-gen collections in the way I'd always vaguely hoped they'd be good for, merging and morphing them around so easily with other sorts of harmonies, both randomized AND well-established, and getting a very high percentage of useable and delightfully surprising results, compared to any of the general, typical, or even a-typical, randomize-it or arp-it techniques I'd often previously dabbled with using my MIDI-FX arsenal, and usually quickly tired of, up til now.
It's definitely re-defined the game, for me anyway."
Both of these older tools are unique and fresh for me (and even more so together) because they're not so much manglers or super arps like most of my already loved tools mentioned up-tread in my first post here, but because they're all about building traditional musical structures in very easy and also very deep ways, quite as well as facilitating endlessly surprising algorithmic mash-ups and concatenations.
I reluctantly must agree with the comment above about so many of these desktop tools having terrible GUIs, or simply being not fun to work with, either being too complicated or too simplified to make any sense of (Nora and Kameleono come to mind for me…both fascinating and assuredly powerful, but covered with fangs). There's no doubt that RC's powers, too, are hidden behind a space-shuttle-like interface, but EzKeys is quite brilliantly "E-Z", once you get that it's so much more than it appears to be, and is marketed as.
HNY!
Yeah, I purchased it. It seems it's intended to inspire you (Inspire 2 Cre-8) and jump start a song, helping you create a chord progression, from which you can build upon. There's a demo you should try to see if it works for you.
ReaTune is monophonic but it may seem para/polyphonic depending on what the FFT picks up. Right now the only tools that can detect chords the way you want are Melodyne Editor or Studio, or Zynaptiq Pitchmap (that won't write MIDI though). You could also learn enough music theory to figure it out once you figure the song key (or use Hornet Songkey or Google to look it up) then use monophonic detection to give you enough of a clue.SoundPorn wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:48 am Does anybody here use Reaper and Reatune to record midi output? I'm trying to figure out if he can do polyphony at all. It seems to be able to do paraphonic when I stack 2 Reatunes and use both channel 1 and channel 2 output. I just bought Waves Tune and that's monophonic only. I only got Melodyne essentials and trying to find a way to extract the midi of chords out of samples without buying Melodyne Studio.
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