DUNE 3 is now available!!

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Gamma-UT
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4507 posts since 8 Jun, 2009 from UK

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:00 am

Does anyone know whether it's possible to deactivate a Dune 3 licence on a machine? As far as I can tell there's a limit of three. The old desktop machine is going to turn into a glorified file server – so it's nice to have a spare activation or two in hand just in case a motherboard bursts into flames.

Is it like the AAS system where the activation count gets reset after a few months? Or is it email get a reset or a new activation once the limit has been reached?

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Koshdukai
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259 posts since 11 Mar, 2007 from Portugal

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:20 am

Dasheesh wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:13 am
[...] a better serial filter algorithm for demonstration is F1-F2-FX.

Initial[lize Patch] and put filters in serial [like F1>F2>FX], push the balance all the way to filter 2, set filter one to a steep cutoff and close it all the way. Where is that signal coming from?, because there should be no signal in filter 2. [...]
Signal is coming from F2, since you set balance to 100% F2.

If there's a Balance between F1 and F2, then there's an implicit (always present) "hardwired" parallel audio path "above" the final audio path config that sets the relation between F1, F2 and FX sections.

Knowing this, the serial configs only work as "pure serial" if Balance is set 100% to F1.

I think this is easy to understand and more flexible than only having Balance active when the parallel config is chosen, meaning, you can interfere as little or as much as you want in the serial configs by bleeding some signal to F2.

...at least, this is how I understood Dune 3's Filter signal path and never considered this level of (maybe confusing for some) flexibility, a bug but a well thought out design (though again, maybe a bit confusing to some).

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:28 am

Koshdukai wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:20 am
Dasheesh wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:13 am
[...] a better serial filter algorithm for demonstration is F1-F2-FX.

Initial[lize Patch] and put filters in serial [like F1>F2>FX], push the balance all the way to filter 2, set filter one to a steep cutoff and close it all the way. Where is that signal coming from?, because there should be no signal in filter 2. [...]
Signal is coming from F2, since you set balance to 100% F2.

If there's a Balance between F1 and F2, then there's an implicit (always present) "hardwired" parallel audio path "above" the final audio path config that sets the relation between F1, F2 and FX sections.

Knowing this, the serial configs only work as "pure serial" if Balance is set 100% to F1.

I think this is easy to understand and more flexible than only having Balance active when the parallel config is chosen, meaning, you can interfere as little or as much as you want in the serial configs by bleeding some signal to F2.

...at least, this is how I understood Dune 3's Filter signal path and never considered this level of (maybe confusing for some) flexibility, a bug but a well thought out design (though again, maybe a bit confusing to some).

Except they are not in series. It's just blending the two filters together... so what are the parallel algorithms for?

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:32 am

I'm not going to argue what series filters are. I've just uninstalled and am deciding if I want to stay with dune 2 and reinstall all that or call it a day and move on. It was an impulse buy at this point.

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Koshdukai
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259 posts since 11 Mar, 2007 from Portugal

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:36 am

Dasheesh wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:28 am
Koshdukai wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:20 am
If there's a Balance between F1 and F2, then there's an implicit (always present) "hardwired" parallel audio path "above" the final audio path config that sets the relation between F1, F2 and FX sections.

Knowing this, the serial configs only work as "pure serial" if Balance is set 100% to F1.
Except they are not in series. It's just blending the two filters together... so what are the parallel algorithms for?
Set config to parallel: Pure Parallel filters in series with FX.

Set balance 100% to F1 + Serial config: filters in pure series.
Set balance to Center + Serial config: filters in pure series.

Any balance higher than 100% F1 in serial config, you get an hybrid.
Any balance different from Center in serial config, you get an hybrid.

btw, I'm not arguing (or trying to convince anyone of anything).
I'm just trying to explain how Dune 3 is working (at least my understanding of it).
If the extra functionality confuses you, just keep Balance set to 100% F1 Center when not using Parallel.

Edit: Sorry, had to correct my previous sentences after revisiting Dune 3 and confirming what I wrote.
It is indeed a bit confusing, TBH... but more flexible than only having pure series vs parallel :)
Last edited by Koshdukai on Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:18 am, edited 5 times in total.

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:02 am

Koshdukai wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:36 am


btw, I'm not arguing (or trying to convince anyone of anything).
I'm just trying to explain how Dune 3 is working (at least my understanding of it).
has nothing to do with you and not personal, i'm just very frustrated.

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:09 am

add another algorithm called strait series in which the fx section is bypassed and the filters are actually in series.

problem solved.

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Richard_Synapse
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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:26 am

The FX section is bypassed when set to OFF.

I'm not sure what you mean by a mode where "the filters are actually in series". They are in series, in any of the series cascades. Try this: First Filter = Lowpass, Second Filter = Highpass, Filter Balance = Center, Cutoffs linked. The result is a bandpass filter just as you would expect.

For clarification, here's the signal flow of the (new) series filter:
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Richard
Synapse Audio Software - www.synapse-audio.com

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 am

i just reinstalled dune3 to go over this with you guys. when filters are in series, they pass through filter 1 to filter 2. they are in series. that means when filter 1 is closed... there is no signal going to filter 2. if i want to pass a signal through a low pass, and then take that signal and pass it through another filter... this is what series filters is. I guess it can be done in center balance, just i mean... why do they get thrown back into parallel if you take them out of center balance? is it a resource saving thing?

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vurt
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39460 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:10 am

Dasheesh wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:08 am
i just reinstalled dune3 to go over this with you guys. when filters are in series, they pass through filter 1 to filter 2. they are in series. that means when filter 1 is closed... there is no signal going to filter 2. if i want to pass a signal through a low pass, and then take that signal and pass it through another filter... this is what series filters is. I guess it can be done in center balance, just i mean... why do they get thrown back into parallel if you take them out of center balance? is it a resource saving thing?
why in series are you moving the balance at all?
that doesn't make sense.

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:13 am

because i don't want to hear 2 filters when in series, that's what parallel is for.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
39460 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:17 am

Dasheesh wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:13 am
because i don't want to hear 2 filters when in series, that's what parallel is for.
what?
but series suggests, more than one, chained.
but the balance at centre gives you this, then moving the balance, tells the machine "he wants a blend"

Dasheesh
KVRAF
2946 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:17 am

i mean, this is how every other dual filter synth on the planet works guys. all of them. only one that does this same kind of thing that i know of is arcsyn. which has this mind boggling dual mix dual filter going on. i have no idea why you would do it that way, but... every other dual filter synthesizer in series gives you the output of filter one into filter two. i guess it has the same end result if you can just accept it lol.

edit: now i'm all flustered.

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wagtunes
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14358 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:23 am

Okay, maybe I'm an idiot (actually I am an idiot so let's take that as a given) but how do you even put Dune 3 into parallel mode?

My understanding of parallel is that you can have two oscillators, A and B, and have one OSC feed into filter X and another OSC feed into filter Y and filter X and Y have no affect on each other. That's my understanding of parallel filters. Each one separate.

Dune 3's filters, from what I can tell, are in series, period. There is no way to have OSC 1 go into one filter and OSC 2 go into another filter.

So what exactly are we arguing about here that Dune 3 does or doesn't do?

If it's that it doesn't do parallel filtering, oh well, that's life.

Otherwise, I am totally confused.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
39460 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

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Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:30 am

no wags, you've got the argument backwards :lol:
he says it moves to parallel mode when he moves the balance in series.
so it does both, just hes using it wrong and expecting a certain result :hihi:

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