the humour level only went up 0.4AnX wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:19 pmpdxindy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:18 pmfair has no meaning in this case
nor does humour it seems...
Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)
- KVRAF
- 25535 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
- GRRRRRRR!
- 16001 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
I can't say I'm a massive Massive fan. I've had it for nearly a year now and the only use I've found for it is for glitchy sequence things. I like the UI and workflow, yet I don't really enjoy playing around with it for some reason. I don't hear anything particularly special in it's oscillators and I don't rate it's filter at all. Maybe it was amazing when it first came out but the game has moved on and it really can't keep up today.
We use it here and there but not anywhere you'd actually notice it because it just doesn't seem up to it compared even to simple things like Go2. In fact, kHs One gets more use than Massive does in our stuff. I got it in the software bundle with Maschine and I can't see myself paying actual cash money for an upgrade, unless they change the character of it completely (which seems unlikely).
Having recently bought both Factory and Cyclop, I can see Massive getting zero use in the future and, over time, probably being replaced where we use it currently.
We use it here and there but not anywhere you'd actually notice it because it just doesn't seem up to it compared even to simple things like Go2. In fact, kHs One gets more use than Massive does in our stuff. I got it in the software bundle with Maschine and I can't see myself paying actual cash money for an upgrade, unless they change the character of it completely (which seems unlikely).
Having recently bought both Factory and Cyclop, I can see Massive getting zero use in the future and, over time, probably being replaced where we use it currently.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Relax! I said "my guess"! Nothing against you or NI
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Yes probably. But how this difference is usable for me? We'll see. I have Reaktor (with several ensembles) so, I don't miss a gritty aggressive sound (Factory can do that also). So, if the difference is in this direction (Reaktor), then I don't need it really. Dune 3 might be more useful for me actually
- GRRRRRRR!
- 16001 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Factory is actually amazingly good at making "gritty, aggressive sound". It's why I bought it. It's hard to quantify but it just sounds more authentic, maybe, than Massive. i.e Massive sounds like it's trying to do something and not quite getting there, where Factory seems to do the same sorts of things better, without having to try so hard.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Yes I agree. Factory is amazing synth I barely scratched its surface. It's from the very few out there with such detailed sound but with low to moderate CPU usage! This is an example of what's there of high end synths that Massive X will be competing with.
Anyway, the original Massive is still IMO the best "Jack of all trades but master of none" synth out there. It has aged well with FM8 and Absynth but I might move on with a new setup that includes Factory and Dune 3. I might add Massive X to them. Let's see and hear it first
Anyway, the original Massive is still IMO the best "Jack of all trades but master of none" synth out there. It has aged well with FM8 and Absynth but I might move on with a new setup that includes Factory and Dune 3. I might add Massive X to them. Let's see and hear it first
- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
OG Massive has certainly aged somewhat since its first release. A lot of its appeal really comes from the fact that it makes the sounds that are characteristic of multiple genres during its time. Some of those wavetables have become quite distinctive, albeit overused. The filters are pretty weak sounding by todays standards but, again, some such as Daft have become distinctive in their own right.BONES wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:07 pm I can't say I'm a massive Massive fan. I've had it for nearly a year now and the only use I've found for it is for glitchy sequence things. I like the UI and workflow, yet I don't really enjoy playing around with it for some reason. I don't hear anything particularly special in it's oscillators and I don't rate it's filter at all. Maybe it was amazing when it first came out but the game has moved on and it really can't keep up today.
It still has a lot of creative depth though: the insert FX, modulation and routing section offer up a lot of possibilities. It's been one of my main go-tos for years now, albeit mainly due to my familiarity with it. Looking at MX it appears to expand on all its best features and hopefully improves on its filters a lot.
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- KVRist
- 361 posts since 6 Feb, 2017
?? were do you get that from ? i thank it was :EvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:12 pmWrong, because host automation is way more precise than 14 bits, and KK's parameters use host automation, not MIDI
7 bit midi = 0-128
automation host = 0-500
14 bits midi = 0-16384
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- KVRAF
- 6616 posts since 14 Nov, 2006 from Ankara, Turkey
- KVRAF
- 23104 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Wrong. As kv331 says, host automation uses 32-bit floating point value range. Which is over 4 billion values (2^32 = 4294967296)drdriller wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:52 am?? were do you get that from ? i thank it was :EvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:12 pmWrong, because host automation is way more precise than 14 bits, and KK's parameters use host automation, not MIDI
7 bit midi = 0-128
automation host = 0-500
14 bits midi = 0-16384
(Also 7-bit is 0-127, and 14-bit is 0-16383 )
- KVRAF
- 23104 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
Its kinda confusing, because when you look at modular synths they'r so called modular nature is just cables and on some synths exchangable modules. So to my understanding basicly every modern synth is actually modular and even more powerful modular then any "regular" modular. Just look at those complex modulations you can do in Serum, Dune 3, Hive, Synthmaster, Virus...Diva is actually modular aswel. So what does make modular a modular synth nowdays.DrEntropy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:40 pmThere is a faq on the same page which says (in answer to the question, will it be modular?):Touch The Universe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:37 pm Any news on whether there will be expandable modules, like blocks?
"No, MASSIVE X is not modular. But you can swap different DSP components (oscillators, filters, effects, envelopes, LFOs, and more)."
I think this means no.
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 11 Dec, 2017
I really hope it won't be modular in a Blocks kind of sense. To have patching on a separate page is the biggest creative flow killer ever IMHO. That routing page scares meElektronisch wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:45 amIts kinda confusing, because when you look at modular synths they'r so called modular nature is just cables and on some synths exchangable modules. So to my understanding basicly every modern synth is actually modular and even more powerful modular then any "regular" modular. Just look at those complex modulations you can do in Serum, Dune 3, Hive, Synthmaster, Virus...Diva is actually modular aswel. So what does make modular a modular synth nowdays.DrEntropy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:40 pmThere is a faq on the same page which says (in answer to the question, will it be modular?):Touch The Universe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:37 pm Any news on whether there will be expandable modules, like blocks?
"No, MASSIVE X is not modular. But you can swap different DSP components (oscillators, filters, effects, envelopes, LFOs, and more)."
I think this means no.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I don't think it's like blocks because the modulation is like in the original Massive. The routing seems also a flexible version of the original routing (not like Reaktor edit view).
If they included more analogue filters than the Monark one, then this might be a polyphonic analogue heaven (which the blocks lacks afaik).
If they included more analogue filters than the Monark one, then this might be a polyphonic analogue heaven (which the blocks lacks afaik).