Tracktion Takeover, Waveform10, AirWindows, NAAM2019, BIOTEK GTR...

[fedexnman]

I like Waveforms GUI , StudioOne ain't bad either . There is something simplistic in Tracktion/Waveform that appeals to me , I've always liked it way back to the bendy arrows ( inputs ) of Tracktion 1 . Simplistic but also can be deep . The 2 features that have me interested are record the internet url to the multi sampler and also (audio) beat loop to midi . The range tool looks interesting as well as the Airwindows plugins might have something interesting we'll see .

[jabe]

This is the one i don't get. How does it benefit being open source?

Nice stuff, plus I love they opensourced stuff.

They made the "Waveform Engine" open-sourced, so it can be used for other projects. They didn't make the whole of Waveform open-sourced. Anyone who uses the Waveform Engine will have to create, for example, their own user interface/graphics, etc.

[jabe]

I don't know what clip launching is.

[emasters]

but really... stability has always been an issue for Tracktion, compared to Reaper et al, and until that's fixed, I don't so much care.

Similar perspective here. Cubase and Reason run very reliably for me (neither crashes on my Mac system with extended use). By contrast, Waveform 9 frequently crashes and must be restarted. As a result, I enjoy Waveform but only use if for limited projects that don't get too complex. I would like to think that Waveform 10 will include improvements with stability and plugin scanning. I guess time will tell....

[zzz00m]

I don't know what clip launching is.

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/sessi ... view-clips

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/launching-clips/

[jens]

I don't know what clip launching is.

It's when clips are being launched.

[fedexnman]

I don't know what clip launching is.

It's when clips are being launched.

I see where Digital Performer is going to have clip record and launching soon . Hard to believe folks don't know of Ableton Live and it's clip launching environment and Bitwig and Push 1+2 and Novation Launchpad controllers .

[jabe]

I don't know what clip launching is.

It's when clips are being launched.

Thanks, that's cleared it all up.

[jabe]

I don't know what clip launching is.

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/sessi ... view-clips

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/launching-clips/

Thank you.

[Topcheese]

I stopped using Waveform 8 because of the stability problems. I did like it and I love what they're doing with it now. Open-sourcing it will open up a wider audience, and it will also help it become even more of a solid product.

I see they're using a Native Instruments keyboard, and you don't see a partnership with them from NI. NI wants to try and cut in on Akais' dance with Ableton ... when together they got little apcs', minis', and forces running around.

I'd like to think buying Traction would have been a better deal than buying Sounds.com. Which one do you think is worth more?

[dupont]

I hope they fixed the sluggish UI refresh on OSX.

[DavidCarlyon]

Hate to say it but i am extremely underwhelmed by this.
I thought the next big update was going tohave massive improvements to the way the chord track works - so you can edit your patterns, without them resetting etc etc
Also thought there was going to be more interaction between chords/bass/arp etc.
Instead we have nothing at all on the pattern/chord side of things, and just some plugins.
Oh and a side panel - to host things that can be linked to shortcuts anyway!!

And they are calling this a x. release? This isn't even a .1 release, surely? I held on to my copy for ages because they said 'wait for v10, it will bring improvements to lots of the things you ask about'
Absolutely none of them have been addressed.

And as others have mentioned, unless it is more stable by a factor of 10, it is useless for me anyway.
Maybe i can see this being useful for a first DAW for someone who has no plugins etc etc.
But for me, i have literally hundreds of plugs.....don't care about some free plugs and hacky looking faceplates - in fact, i already bought the tracktion plugins too (which have absolutely no integration or advantage over any other plugs btw)

Ugh...i feel a bit frustratewd. It's almost a really awesome DAW. It is definitely one of the more interesting ones. But i feel like this release really missed the mark. Don;t know whether to sell my copy or not now!
I have waveform, the plugin bundle, (now along with all the others plugin bundles) and biotek.
I just feel like it is going to get wasted on my computer!!

[Trancit]

Hate to say it but i am extremely underwhelmed by this.
I thought the next big update was going tohave massive improvements to the way the chord track works - so you can edit your patterns, without them resetting etc etc
Also thought there was going to be more interaction between chords/bass/arp etc.
Instead we have nothing at all on the pattern/chord side of things, and just some plugins.
Oh and a side panel - to host things that can be linked to shortcuts anyway!!

One of my biggest gripe with Tracktion as a company...
They come up with a great idea put it in halfbaken and mostly don´t touch it anymore...
Really a pity...

And as others have mentioned, unless it is more stable by a factor of 10, it is useless for me anyway.
Maybe i can see this being useful for a first DAW for someone who has no plugins etc etc.
But for me, i have literally hundreds of plugs.....don't care about some free plugs and hacky looking faceplates - in fact, i already bought the tracktion plugins too (which have absolutely no integration or advantage over any other plugs btw)

I don´t like neither the way they try to sell their new "protection"...
Everything you hear from them is that plugins are always crashing hosts and therefore they built in their fantastic reboot function...

Sorry... Waveform is for me the only host which 90% crashes with normal plugins like the ones from fabfilter, waves, melda,... etc...pp...
They don´t get it fixed, so they start telling all hosts suffer from the same...
This is simply a lie...

All other hosts I own and tried crash mostly never... while Waveform crashes or missbehave 50 times a day...no excuse so...

Just take the new release... I tried the demo and after 2 minutes ran directly into issues with resizeable plugins...
I reported this in their forum... you know what... no response at all, no confirming or not...nothing...
That´s another point I dislike...

For me it´s really a shame, because I like the product in general very much... the feature list is very impressive... their track loop format is made fantastic...
But for me, it´s unuseable with all these little inconsitencies and stability problems...

[DavidCarlyon]

Hate to say it but i am extremely underwhelmed by this.
I thought the next big update was going tohave massive improvements to the way the chord track works - so you can edit your patterns, without them resetting etc etc
Also thought there was going to be more interaction between chords/bass/arp etc.
Instead we have nothing at all on the pattern/chord side of things, and just some plugins.
Oh and a side panel - to host things that can be linked to shortcuts anyway!!

One of my biggest gripe with Tracktion as a company...
They come up with a great idea put it in halfbaken and mostly don´t touch it anymore...
Really a pity...

And as others have mentioned, unless it is more stable by a factor of 10, it is useless for me anyway.
Maybe i can see this being useful for a first DAW for someone who has no plugins etc etc.
But for me, i have literally hundreds of plugs.....don't care about some free plugs and hacky looking faceplates - in fact, i already bought the tracktion plugins too (which have absolutely no integration or advantage over any other plugs btw)

I don´t like neither the way they try to sell their new "protection"...
Everything you hear from them is that plugins are always crashing hosts and therefore they built in their fantastic reboot function...

Sorry... Waveform is for me the only host which 90% crashes with normal plugins like the ones from fabfilter, waves, melda,... etc...pp...
They don´t get it fixed, so they start telling all hosts suffer from the same...
This is simply a lie...

All other hosts I own and tried crash mostly never... while Waveform crashes or missbehave 50 times a day...no excuse so...

Just take the new release... I tried the demo and after 2 minutes ran directly into issues with resizeable plugins...
I reported this in their forum... you know what... no response at all, no confirming or not...nothing...
That´s another point I dislike...

For me it´s really a shame, because I like the product in general very much... the feature list is very impressive... their track loop format is made fantastic...
But for me, it´s unuseable with all these little inconsitencies and stability problems...

It sounds like your experience has been very simolar to mine.
I also use other DAWS (Bitwig, Ableton, Studio One, Maschine) and yes, some are more efficient than others, some are more stable than others....
but honestly i found it sickening to see how they marketed their new tech as if all DAWs suffer the same - NO they do not, waveform crashed so much i literally had to stop using it...and have never used it since.
I am about to try the new one now and am already getting prepared to go straight back to studio one.

It is indeed a shame they seem to have abandoned their best features.
They could have made more modulators - better ones more on the level of Bitwig or FL
they could have made the pattern creators speak to each other and the global song track.
They could have made a proper arranger track like in studio one.
They could have done so many amazing things...but they give us a few freeware plugins????

Sorry but this is not aimed at professional production. Which is a shame.

I mostly use midi/synths these days and only bounce to audio right at the end, so i haven't really made use of the audio loop features....
how does it differ from other daws? I know studio one has 'audioloop' format
Cheers

[DavidCarlyon]

Also i just saw the upgrade price is 70 bucks, Im out.
70 bucks for some freeware plugins? Wow. Don't know what happened here, but it doens't look good. Unless i am seriously missing something