Bitwig NAMM 2019 videos

[Yokai]

I want to hear what other changes are to Bitwig 3 other than the grid...

I think the Grid is it... and it is enough by itself

Given the size of the dev team, I think it's a safe bet that versions 3 and probably 3.1 and 3.2 will mostly be centered around the Grid. If MIDI Note FX modules aren't in 3, I'm guessing they'll want to get those added into the set ASAP.

They'd also be smart to add a noise oscillator(s) or something with lots of range like Melda's MNoiseGenerator. And they'd be smart to add a wavetable oscillator of some sort.

[pdxindy]

I want to hear what other changes are to Bitwig 3 other than the grid...

I think the Grid is it... and it is enough by itself

Given the size of the dev team, I think it's a safe bet that versions 3 and probably 3.1 and 3.2 will mostly be centered around the Grid. If MIDI Note FX modules aren't in 3, I'm guessing they'll want to get those added into the set ASAP.

They'd also be smart to add a noise oscillator(s) or something with lots of range like Melda's MNoiseGenerator. And they'd be smart to add a wavetable oscillator of some sort.

Also, if 3.0 had other features, they would be on the v3 announcement page.

[Enkerli]

It’s interesting that Dave was hesitating on the number of grid types (and he did specify that these are the three types right now).

We're at least 4-5 months ahead of release, so that's not really surprising.

Fair. It’s just that many devs only release feature-complete betas. No idea about the BWS track record in this case, having only joined in last Summer (and the beta point releases since then were very close to the shipping versions).
In many ways, MIDI FX can be much less demanding than audio (especially 4x oversampled stereo audio). But, in other ways, they probably require more efforts in designing. And, with Bitwig (as with most DAWs apart from the other Berlin-based one), we’re talking about expressive MIDI.

To me, the distinction between the three grid types makes some sense but it’s kind of hard to figure out before getting to try them. And integrating the few “data” devices (pitches, gates, steps, probabilities) with modulation and note fx could get us a bit closer to full-fledged MIDI FX?

[pdxindy]

Fair. It’s just that many devs only release feature-complete betas. No idea about the BWS track record in this case, having only joined in last Summer (and the beta point releases since then were very close to the shipping versions).

Bitwig announces all the major new features when they announce the new update. They do add a few new small changes or enhancements to the existing or announced features during the beta process. My guess is it is very unlikely that the Midi Grid device would be added during the 3.0 beta period.

[antic604]

Is someone here on the floor at NAMM?

We really need answer if this is the same environment - with some elements hidden, like UI creator, MIDI tools - Bitwig devs used to create the native devices, like they were advertising from the get go? This would answer so many other questions at once Because my fear is it's not.

[SLiC]

I also think the grid and 120 plus audio and logic devices is enough for V3....it will give users chance to comment on and workout any workflow issues before they add more stuff in 3.1, 3.2 etc...opening the grid is a new platform for devices. I would rather get my hands on it sooner and build on it....that’s the update ethos.

[svervs]

You'd think they'd have something more impressive to show than a this generic OSC-Filter-StepSequencer thing. Does this show anything that's not already possible with the current modulators?
Anyway still hyped for this ...

[jarnold]

Is someone here on the floor at NAMM?

We really need answer if this is the same environment - with some elements hidden, like UI creator, MIDI tools - Bitwig devs used to create the native devices, like they were advertising from the get go? This would answer so many other questions at once Because my fear is it's not.

I don't think it is. It looks to be an intermediate bridging tool. Reaktor Blocks. Looks great though. Personally I prefer ease of use over total power tech head***k but that's just me..

[operator]

I like it a lot... this will be major fun working with. But like Antic asked a few posts up, I would be curious aswell, If we could change the already present native devices, now or in the future. (if I understood Antic right...) I would love to recreate the Multiband Dynmics from Ableton (wihtout using the MultibandFX). And i would like to create a similar UI (if possible)

I guess Jarnold is right, it will be like Reaktor Blocks which is awesome for it´s ease of use, and I also prefer workflow over complexity in some stages of the production process... and I think we saw what we get, there won´t be more than in the videos shown (which is already GREAT, a lot of thoughts went into it). but I still hope that we´ll get access to a deeper level in the future, to change the native devices and create new UI´s for them.

[pdxindy]

You'd think they'd have something more impressive to show than a this generic OSC-Filter-StepSequencer thing. Does this show anything that's not already possible with the current modulators?
Anyway still hyped for this ...

Which of their current synths allow you to drop a waveshaper in before or after the filter?

[pdxindy]

Is someone here on the floor at NAMM?

We really need answer if this is the same environment - with some elements hidden, like UI creator, MIDI tools - Bitwig devs used to create the native devices, like they were advertising from the get go? This would answer so many other questions at once Because my fear is it's not.

Quoted from the video:

"The Grid is a modular sound design environment fully modular and it is living inside some of our different devices that now exist..."

[pdxindy]

I guess Jarnold is right, it will be like Reaktor Blocks

Except it looks far more user friendly than Reaktor Blocks

[antic604]

Quoted from the video:

"The Grid is a modular sound design environment fully modular and it is living inside some of our different devices that now exist..."

Good catch, although that can be interpreted in many different ways

Well, I guess we'll see how that works sooner or later

[operator]

Except it looks far more user friendly than Reaktor Blocks

Your absolutly right, and if i might add, it has a much better visual design (in my opinion). I just wanted to compare the level of programming to blocks... (i don´t like them that much, becuause i´m not the biggest fan of reaktor)

[antic604]

It looks to be an intermediate bridging tool. Reaktor Blocks. Looks great though. Personally I prefer ease of use over total power tech head***k but that's just me..

Oh, I agree with you - I don't want it to ever become a programming/scripting environment (like Max or Reaktor Core), because that would alienate majority of users (myself included). What I meant is if that's a separate environment, then they need to maintain & develop 2 modular environments, which - considering the size of dev team - wouldn't be preferable. Also, if it was the same environment then we could easy extrapolate from existing devices what's coming next: MIDI Grid, Modulator Grid maybe, maybe some wavetable/sampler stuff, etc.