Waveform v10.0.20 Public Beta Available

[carllackey]

where is subtractive? i'm running the beta, but it's not in my version of w10.

[gennargiu]

where is subtractive? i'm running the beta, but it's not in my version of w10.

Hi subtractive synth is in menu waveform plug in in this version

[Michl71]

Thanks for the new Beta. There's a lot to discover in this Version like Groove Dr. and Subtractive. The evening will not be boring

[mikoatkvr]

Subtractive is quite easy to get the hang of if you are familiar with Collective. The Spinal saw waveform has a cluster function which gives some really interesting sounds.
I hope Groove Doctor comes with a manual as I have no clue as to what I'm doing at the moment.
The Devs are really quashing the bugs behind the scenes, this is going to be a brilliant release guys ......

[jabe]

So far so good. Had a play with Subtractive.

Thoughts? There's not enough being said about it.

I'm not much of a synth person, to be honest (remaining appalled by the naff naff naff dx7 presets that afflicted mainstream 80s music), so I just flicked through a few presets. Got crackling on some - no idea why; maybe they had some distortion programmed on them.

Do you know what presets exactly? If they're in a big session it could be just that they were causing buffer under-runs? Can you see what the CPU meter is doing when you hear the crackles?

I'm running through them now, so I'll list some below.

It's not a big session. It was only really a test to see what things sounded like, so I've got 4 bars of looped random notes, sometimes with seven notes playing at once. There was one other track with sounds on, so I've muted it

What the crackly ones have in common is that the Waveform CPU display goes round into the red, so 75%+.

My laptop has Windows 10 and has an Intel i7 CPU . The CPU% according to Task Manager is around 4-9% for most of the sounds, so hardly troubled, but some of the sounds in question have sent it as high as 29%.

The sound is from the laptop speakers; I generally have the volume at 100% as it's not very loud, and it doesn't generally sound like they're being overdriven or caused to distort. However, I reduced the laptop volume to 50% and was getting the same distortion.

Subtractive did crash at one point as I was changing a sound.

Sounds causing crackles include these:

Allen Junkyard
ARP Solina (sometimes - perhaps depends on number of notes?)
Blue Pad
BPF Arco (intermittently)
BPF Downsweep Pad
BPF Upsweep Pad
Classic PWM JH (intermittently - possibly overloads when note count gets too high, but laptop CPU less than 7%)
Detuned Phaser JH
Filter Flutes JH
High Level Dose JH
HPF Downsweep Pad
HPF Upsweep Pad
LPF Arco
LPF Downsweep Pad
LPF Upsweep Pad
Mouse Chords JH
Peace Pad
Polymoog Vox Humana
Pulses Pulsing JH
Rainstorm
Separate Ways
Shimmery JH
Showrunner JH
Social Networking JH
Super Jupiter Strings
Tee-H-Ex
The Classic JH
Thunder
Wavesync JH
What About Stringpad
Windstorm

That's rather a lot, which makes me wonder if the problem is here. Perhaps some are meant to be monophonic.

I've added another track that just plays one note at a time, and most of those listed above still distort (with the new track solo). Some no longer do with only the one note to deal with, but I reckon about 66-75% still distort.


I hope this is some use and I'd be interested to see if others are having the same thing happen.

Cheers.

[Michl71]

Hello Jabe,
i can not confirm that. I tried nearly all the presets, that you have listed. There is no crackling, and the the CPU usage is normal (6-12%). I think it depends on the used audio interface. Did you use your in-built audio from the laptop or are you using an external audio-interface? Furthermore i think that windows 10 causes latency problems. I "downgraded" my audio-system to Windows 7 64bit. My latency is much better than on Win 10.

Try this tool to check your latency:
https://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml

Greetings Michael

[Stuttaton]

If you could just assign CC 2 to modulate the amplitude of the envelopes, then it would be solved.
You need to be able to set breath tracking separately for EG 1, 2, 3 and 4 like this:
With a depth of 0, there is no influence from breath (like in current version)
With a depth of 100%, breath controls the EG amplitude completely.
Settings in-between makes breath have more or less influence on the EG amplitude and thus the parameter(s) that the EG controls.
This shouldn't be very complicated. It certainly is simple to implement on an analog synth.
I have implemented breath contol like this on the Oberheim Matrix 6 and it works very well.
If you want, you can make this assignable to an expression pedal, instead of breath, to make it useful for other than wind players.
You'll have to add a knob for each EG, marked "expression" and then a global setting to chose from breath or expression pedal.
This would enhance the expressivesess of the synth a lot.

Re: Subtractive:

Currently, the modwheel can only control the LFO amount, filter cutoff or overall amplitude.
It would be a great addition if the modwheel could also contol the amplitude of selected EGs. Then you can fade in an attack transient with the wheel, for instance.
If you add the modwheel to the selection of "expression" sources in my suggestion above, it could do that too.

[AGreen]

The functionality of Groove Doctor is a little confusing. If I select one track and capture the selection it will identify the transients and split/quantise that track. If I select two tracks it only identifies the transients from one track even though the capture box and transients are displayed in both tracks. Shouldn't it detect transients on all tracks in these circumstances ? It's not clear how to easily quantise multiple tracks to the grid nor how one track could be used as a reference to quantise other tracks to that reference.

Also:

Using multiple undo's sometimes results in a locked clip after using Groove Doctor. The clip can't be moved or deleted. Groove Doctor doesn't work if another track is soloed

[jabe]

Hello Jabe,
i can not confirm that. I tried nearly all the presets, that you have listed. There is no crackling, and the the CPU usage is normal (6-12%). I think it depends on the used audio interface. Did you use your in-built audio from the laptop or are you using an external audio-interface? Furthermore i think that windows 10 causes latency problems. I "downgraded" my audio-system to Windows 7 64bit. My latency is much better than on Win 10.

Try this tool to check your latency:
https://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml

Greetings Michael

Thank you. That was part of why I didn't originally post this as being a problem, because I was just playing it back with Windows sound, without my interface connected. I'll connect it up and see if it makes a difference. I'll check the latency too.

[fedexnman]

I have problems with my FireWire interface and certain softsynths and samplers not W10 related .. It's not the CPU either .... You can adjust your buffer settings from 64 to either 128 256 512 1024 ....and the pops and clicks go away the higher you go .... It can be a number of things such as ram too I only have 6gigs of ram . i7 920 . I have pops and clicks using certain plugins and Abe Live I have to use 128 buffer . I find the more complex the synth or sample patch the more clicks and pops I get ... I mainly record audio and use 64 or 128 buffers , but sometimes if I noodle with a softsynth I'll bump it up to 256 or 512 buffers ... Completely Waveform 10 Unrelated .....

[Stuttaton]

Subtractive:
Full keytrack on the VCOs is 128%. Is this really the case? Shouldn't that be 100% (for normal scale tracking)?