Dmitry Sches' Thorn VI

[chk071]

VAT a rage.

[Guenon]

Well, for software, it works differently. You pay VAT when you purchase the software.

Yes, naturally the customs can't inspect a parcel when dealing with digital goods , so it needs to be dealt with diffrently. I was replying to the "I haven't seen so many US online stores which actually discharge VAT" with all online stores in mind, as in, not having the customer pay the VAT upfront isn't a sign that the VAT isn't still handled correctly. But yep, I was being too off topic and should have kept it in context.

[Guenon]

Lol @ vurt

[vurt]

is the the vat or rage thread?
im seeking the latter.

grrrr!

VAT rage
EU rage
PA rage

there's plenty to go around.

sounds tiring, maybe ill look for a "slightly irked" thread rather than rage.

i dont even own thorn, im just here for the ambience

[Local Man]

I hate to pile on with things like this but I must say that I am glad I never bought any DS audio stuff. I've been on the fence a few times because his plugins are great but this quote really struck me "We hope that the benefits of Plugin Alliance platform could be worth enough for you to upgrade."
What benefits? Paying more to have a middle man involved doesn't help the end user at all. And I really don't get the whole plugin alliance thing. By consolidating forces, prices should go down via economies of scale and finding efficiencies. Instead they go up? That means it's just a middle man taking his cut.
It's a sad state of affairs that the music business is not about artists earning money for their art, it's about opportunists taking money from artists wherever they can wedge themselves in.

[wagtunes]

is the the vat or rage thread?
im seeking the latter.

grrrr!

VAT rage
EU rage
PA rage

there's plenty to go around.

sounds tiring, maybe ill look for a "slightly irked" thread rather than rage.

i dont even own thorn, im just here for the ambience

Thorn does great ambiance.

[martinjuenke]

This is what you get for the 19$ upgrade fee:

Thorn Changelog

version 1.2:

Thorn is distributed by Plugin Alliance now
Integrated Plugin Alliance framework with toolbar and authorization scheme
Thorn Essentials, HouseMaster One and Thorn Expansion 2 by Rob Lee are in the factory library now, free of charge
Modulation depth can be modulated now without issues
MIDI CC is working now when ARP is turned on
Thorn now returns text values to be displayed in automation lanes for AAX / VST3 / AU
Removed Optimize Polyphony option, will be returned later
Fixed automation smoothing issue
Fixed a crash when opening AAX page-table
Fixed minor preset loading issues on Windows

[vurt]

is the the vat or rage thread?
im seeking the latter.

grrrr!

VAT rage
EU rage
PA rage

there's plenty to go around.

sounds tiring, maybe ill look for a "slightly irked" thread rather than rage.

i dont even own thorn, im just here for the ambience

Thorn does great ambiance.

[Teksonik]

This was just an unfortunate series of events that could have been thought out and handled much better. Not a deliberate attack on your liberty........

You are making excuses for the guy.
I guess you like him. But if anybody puts it in their head to make a case out of it, he could be in trouble.

No I'm putting things into perspective based on personal experience.

I'm trying to hammer home the point that based on my dealings with him I doubt there was any malicious intent on the part of Dmitry. He simply didn't handle things as well as he could have. No need for anger but you can be disappointed as I am in how it was handled. Any anger is probably best directed at PA since if I'm not mistaken it's them who are requiring the fee.

Like I said Dmitry lives in Belarus so unless you are a Lawyer specializing in International Law I don't think you can say for sure what "trouble" he could be in over this event.

Like I said it's hard for one or two man operations to handle all the administration duties with the sale and support of their software so enlisting the services of a third party like PA makes sense from a business standpoint or once again I have to think Dmitry wouldn't have made the move.

[elassi]

Face it: We little KVRians witness a huge geostrategic operation developing behind the curtain.

Everyone knows that Belarus is a potential candidate for regime change™ accompanied by the inevitable sanctions. Therefore, moving business to a US-based company only happens to prevent from being affected by economical restrictions.

We must learn to read between the lines.

[martinjuenke]

is the the vat or rage thread?
im seeking the latter.

grrrr!

VAT rage
EU rage
PA rage

there's plenty to go around.

sounds tiring, maybe ill look for a "slightly irked" thread rather than rage.

i dont even own thorn, im just here for the ambience

Yes, it‘s quite entertaining!

[Daru925]

Apparently that girl Nathalie feels so betrayed she made a song about thorn

[DJErmac]

i dont even own thorn, im just here for the ambience

Thorn might be the very best sounding synth I know imho. If you haven't you should try it (and if you don't care about it it's your absolute right).

[mutantdog]

"We hope that the benefits of Plugin Alliance platform could be worth enough for you to upgrade."
What benefits? Paying more to have a middle man involved doesn't help the end user at all.

I think the benefits of PA relate mainly to the devs not having to spend time on marketing, something which often isn't their strong point. Instead they can focus on what they do best, making plugins. UA would be a good example of this, great devs who have certainly gained far more prominence as a result of PA's marketing.

[Local Man]

"We hope that the benefits of Plugin Alliance platform could be worth enough for you to upgrade."
What benefits? Paying more to have a middle man involved doesn't help the end user at all.

I think the benefits of PA relate mainly to the devs not having to spend time on marketing, something which often isn't their strong point. Instead they can focus on what they do best, making plugins. UA would be a good example of this, great devs who have certainly gained far more prominence as a result of PA's marketing.

That's very good but the participants of such an arrangement should see a financial benefit through increased sales, not by raising prices and hitting existing customers with a $20 surcharge.