0-Coast + ARP Odyssey vs Vermona Perfourmer
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- KVRer
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- 28 posts since 22 Jan, 2019
Hey guys, looking to get my first hardware synth.
I work with bitwig and use a lot of the Arturia V-Collection 5 plugins + Serum.
Fell in love with the Arp-2600 plugin, propably the best sounding out of the whole V-Collection.
What I am lacking is a nice analog synth for deep and warm bass.
I thougt about getting the 0-Coast, as it is unlike anything I ever had and can produce some sweet bass sounds. Combined with an ARP Odyssey I should have pretty much everything I need for now.
On the other hand, I could get the Vermona Perfourmer. I love the sound, there is nothing like it out there imo. Creamy, warm and thick. What do you guys think, what will complement my setup the most?
I work with bitwig and use a lot of the Arturia V-Collection 5 plugins + Serum.
Fell in love with the Arp-2600 plugin, propably the best sounding out of the whole V-Collection.
What I am lacking is a nice analog synth for deep and warm bass.
I thougt about getting the 0-Coast, as it is unlike anything I ever had and can produce some sweet bass sounds. Combined with an ARP Odyssey I should have pretty much everything I need for now.
On the other hand, I could get the Vermona Perfourmer. I love the sound, there is nothing like it out there imo. Creamy, warm and thick. What do you guys think, what will complement my setup the most?
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- addled muppet weed
- 105548 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 28 posts since 22 Jan, 2019
Just realized it is not what I am looking for (lacks a bit in the lower end), also ditched the digitakt for now and will get a used Push 1.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 28 posts since 22 Jan, 2019
Just looked into it, hopfefully that is true becaue it would be my dream synth. Wonder how much it would be though, definitely more than the deepmind I guess.
- KVRAF
- 3820 posts since 13 Jun, 2014
If only Behringer could make a scaled down Moog Modular at a reasonable price. LOL! That would be my dream synth. Oh that and a CS-80.layer of haze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:13 pmJust looked into it, hopfefully that is true becaue it would be my dream synth. Wonder how much it would be though, definitely more than the deepmind I guess.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105548 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
have you looked at the modular requests hes done over at gearsluts?egbert101 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:43 pmIf only Behringer could make a scaled down Moog Modular at a reasonable price. LOL! That would be my dream synth. Oh that and a CS-80.layer of haze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:13 pmJust looked into it, hopfefully that is true becaue it would be my dream synth. Wonder how much it would be though, definitely more than the deepmind I guess.
im pretty sure i read about some moog stuff in there
- KVRAF
- 3820 posts since 13 Jun, 2014
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- addled muppet weed
- 105548 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
fair enoughlayer of haze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:49 pmJust realized it is not what I am looking for (lacks a bit in the lower end), also ditched the digitakt for now and will get a used Push 1.
can i ask, how close is this to a purchase?
to me it sounds like youre in the early stages of hardware lust, each option sounding creamier than the last...
don't get me wrong, a great position to be in
but, it can be dangerous.
if for example, youre just waiting for someone to say "yeah, get synth a" and youre pressing buy it now, i don't want to recommend something that may not actually be what you need.
such as, you mention in the other thread, this is for live use also.
is a semi modular with no patch recall, suitable for you in a live situation? will you be using a similar bass all the way through a set, or would you be looking for a variety of bass sounds, so having to repatch between tracks?
depending on the music you are making, or so long as you understand the limitations a piece of equipment offers, modular can be awesome (im a modular user myself).
so, obviously "the sound" is important to you.
but what other requirements do you think youll need?
midi? patch recall? multi timbral? and so on. then find a piece of gear that ticks these boxes, it may end up being a compromise on sound, it may not, but at least youll be able to use it fully in your studio and live set up.
im not trying to put you off either, i just want to make sure you end up with something useful
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
The 0-Coast is not at all what I think of when it comes to deep and warm bass. It’s more like bleeps and quirky percussion noises. No traditional filter in there. I think you’d be better served with a Behringer Model D or possibly Neutron. Oh, or the new one, the Crave.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 28 posts since 22 Jan, 2019
Thanks for your considerationvurt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:13 pmfair enoughlayer of haze wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:49 pmJust realized it is not what I am looking for (lacks a bit in the lower end), also ditched the digitakt for now and will get a used Push 1.
can i ask, how close is this to a purchase?
to me it sounds like youre in the early stages of hardware lust, each option sounding creamier than the last...
don't get me wrong, a great position to be in
but, it can be dangerous.
if for example, youre just waiting for someone to say "yeah, get synth a" and youre pressing buy it now, i don't want to recommend something that may not actually be what you need.
such as, you mention in the other thread, this is for live use also.
is a semi modular with no patch recall, suitable for you in a live situation? will you be using a similar bass all the way through a set, or would you be looking for a variety of bass sounds, so having to repatch between tracks?
depending on the music you are making, or so long as you understand the limitations a piece of equipment offers, modular can be awesome (im a modular user myself).
so, obviously "the sound" is important to you.
but what other requirements do you think youll need?
midi? patch recall? multi timbral? and so on. then find a piece of gear that ticks these boxes, it may end up being a compromise on sound, it may not, but at least youll be able to use it fully in your studio and live set up.
im not trying to put you off either, i just want to make sure you end up with something useful
My purchase will be sometime next month, so I still got some time to consider everything.
I make techno/acid/house and got plenty of presets for my vsts which I plan to use live together with 1 or 2 analog synths, so not having presets is not a big problem for me.
I think after taking some time to learn the synths it is very nice to be forced to come up with something new every time in a live situation. The good thing about the 0-coast would be that it is something very unique and fresh, which is almost impossible to recreate with a vst. Should be very nice for acid. In addition with an odyssey or something else I would have a lot of ground covered.
The perfourmer on the other hand also has a very lovely and unique sound but is a more "classic" synth.
I just thought about another option which has slipped under my radar untill today (dominion 1/x) but I am not sure if that would be to intimidating for me. Really loving the sound though and I could get a dominion 1 for about 750€ atm which would be a lot cheaper than the perfourmer. After reading your post I realized I should maybe change my mind about getting a digitakt, would probably be a lot better suited for a live situation than the push.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 28 posts since 22 Jan, 2019
I heard a lot of demos and thought it had plenty of bass, not exactly warm but that is where a second synth comes in. I thought about the model d but I heard there are some tuning issues with units and a few other little issues, how reliable is yours?deastman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:07 pm The 0-Coast is not at all what I think of when it comes to deep and warm bass. It’s more like bleeps and quirky percussion noises. No traditional filter in there. I think you’d be better served with a Behringer Model D or possibly Neutron. Oh, or the new one, the Crave.
Neutron seems to lack a bit in the low end and the sound does not excite me that much from what I have heard so far.
I think I will wait for the behringer odyssey and see how it compares with the arp before I buy anything from them, the early reviews say that behringer has stepped up their game in terms of build quality and sound on the odyssey.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 28 posts since 22 Jan, 2019
Just checked out a few demos of the crave, thank you, now I got even more gear to consider
It is basically a moog mother 32 clone right? I just saw the price... 150-200€? That is hard to beat!
Considering the price I could get the crave regardless of my other choices though
It is basically a moog mother 32 clone right? I just saw the price... 150-200€? That is hard to beat!
Considering the price I could get the crave regardless of my other choices though
- KVRAF
- 3820 posts since 13 Jun, 2014
The oscillators seem to drift over time. This seems to be a behaviour common to Minimoogs, so the Behringer model D is authentic, but this isn't ideal in live situations. This was just something people put up with in the seventies when the Minimoog came out.layer of haze wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:56 am I thought about the model d but I heard there are some tuning issues with units and a few other little issues, how reliable is yours?
I think the Crave sounds amazing, even with a single oscillator. Another one to consider is the Korg Minilogue XD. While it is a 4-voice polysynth, it does have the filter from the monologue, which has a very nice bass sound, even when resonance is turned up. It also has a third digital oscillator that is custom programmable.
If you don't mind pure digital and want something very different, then Arturia's MicroFreak is another very interesting and great sounding new synth.
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- KVRist
- 45 posts since 24 Aug, 2018
Also very nice for Acid / Techno / House is the Leploop 2.
It takes some time to master, but once you do ....
Check this out :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JlXt30wNHg
It takes some time to master, but once you do ....
Check this out :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JlXt30wNHg