Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

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inkwarp
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682 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:45 pm

i've been looking at this over the last few days and, i have to say it seems tracktion/waveform has come a long way since i first used it.
it seems to be very well thought out and it's looking like the daw i may use on a laptop, because of the uncluttered interface. it's definitely maturing a bit and is worthy of investigation. there is a lot under the hood ( i was looking for some kind of slicer in previous versions which indeed it now has! if you look through the menus you'll find tonnes of really well thought out functionality. it's worthy of mention with other daws these days.

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inkwarp
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682 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:31 pm

jonljacobi wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:57 pm
To be honest, I'm kind of digging it. I may plop down for the basic and try it for a tune or two.
no need to be ashamed : )
'tis a solid piece of kit...
at the very least i would use this for composing. i like all the chord track stuff....

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zklaus
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72 posts since 30 Nov, 2018 from U.S.

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:38 pm

I have Waveform 8 and it runs really well w/ no issues (light on CPU also). I use all of my VST's with no problems. I can easily finish complete tracks as well. If you don't have a Push controller (I have Ableton and Push) and do not have a need for Max 4 Live then I'd go with Waveform 10 over Ableton. Most of those M4L patches don't even map to Push...and the ones that do cost money, that along with the price of Ableton Suite...not a cheap route for a DAW. I wouldn't get Intro.
Ableton Live 10 / Push

jochicago
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387 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:58 pm

There's a lot to like about Waveform, I have v9. I find the workflow fast and convenient, particularly when creating more than mixing.

There's also a lot to dislike. I personally don't use it anymore, moved to Studio One. T7 and W9 crash constantly, tons of compatibility problems with commercial plugins, stupid bugs that have been known for years, etc. Just can't use it when I also have S1 available. (Windows 10, Ryzen 7 CPU)

Price-wise, it may seem somewhat inviting but don't be fooled. S1 Pro can be had second hand or on a good sale for less than $200. When you compare S1 vs W9 at roughly the same price, IMO there's no competition at all. W9 is not ready to play in the big leagues by a distance. S1 never crashes (for me), near 0 compatibility issues, the stock plugins are a world apart in quality, the engine handles twice the load before it crackles.

My advice: try it first, and try it for a while. It is easy to like a lot of the cool features, but see if you can also take the bad with the good. Then buy it on sale so it will sting less when it acts up.
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pdxindy
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14942 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:23 pm

you Mac or PC?

GearNostalgia
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280 posts since 28 Dec, 2017

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:40 pm

What is S1?
jochicago wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:58 pm
There's a lot to like about Waveform, I have v9. I find the workflow fast and convenient, particularly when creating more than mixing.

There's also a lot to dislike. I personally don't use it anymore, moved to S1. T7 and W9 crash constantly, tons of compatibility problems with commercial plugins, stupid bugs that have been known for years, etc. Just can't use it when I also have S1 available.

Price-wise, it may seem somewhat inviting but don't be fooled. S1 Pro can be had second had or on a good sale for less than $200. When you compare S1 vs W9 at roughly the same price, IMO there's no competition at all. W9 is not ready to play in the big leagues by a distance. S1 never crashes (for me), near 0 compatibility issues, the stock plugins are a world apart in quality, the engine handles twice the load before it crackles.

My advice: try it first, and try it for a while. It is easy to like a lot of the cool features, but see if you can also take the bad with the good. Then buy it on sale so it will sting less when it acts up.

jochicago
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387 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:33 pm


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mcnelson
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1106 posts since 26 Mar, 2004 from UK

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 am

Tracktion user since 2004, switched to Ableton in 2011 when Mackie dumped Tracktion, always kept a copy of Tracktion around & always updated to support the guys.

Reading this thread got me thinking about how Tracktion has matured since I used it as my main DAW. Managed to get a copy of T1 running to appreciate how far its come:
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Not bad for a 15 year old daw; here's the same T1 demo project in Waveform 9:
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I think I like where W10 is going but not in a hurry to upgrade, very much wed to the Ableton / Push ecosystem now...but it's good sometimes to stop, take a look behind you, and appreciate how far you've come.
ABLETON LIVE 10 & PUSH2: TWISTED TOOLS : SONIC CHARGE : SUGAR BYTES
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aMUSEd
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30637 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:44 am

I'm still on 9, getting a bit fed up with the push for yearly paid updates, I think this year the changes are pretty superficial and not worth it for me.

SoundPorn
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550 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:53 am

Waveform is the BeezKneez

Steve Bolivar
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485 posts since 25 Aug, 2006

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:44 am

inkwarp wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:45 pm
and it's looking like the daw i may use on a laptop, because of the uncluttered interface.
I use W9/W10 everyday on the train with a 15.6" laptop. Really nice.

mtelesha
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151 posts since 21 May, 2018

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:54 am

jochicago wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:58 pm
Price-wise, it may seem somewhat inviting but don't be fooled. S1 Pro can be had second hand or on a good sale for less than $200. When you compare S1 vs W9 at roughly the same price, IMO there's no competition at all.
I can get Waveform 9 for less then $50 used. Your point on price is Used vs New.
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Waveform and Bitwig are my DAWs and maybe buy one synth a year. REMEBER SELF just one a year!

mtelesha
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151 posts since 21 May, 2018

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:56 am

I use Waveform 9 so much I even use it Live. Haven't had an issue. Waveform 10 has a plugin that verifies it and can be sent to the developer. Waveform 10 reboots to your project with everything saved in 1 - 3 seconds.

I enjoy using Waveform 10 more then any other DAW. I have a ton and used a tracker in the 80s so to me that means a ton.

I just need something to launch clips the way I want and follows verse, chorus, bridge etc. better then Live or Bitwig!
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Waveform and Bitwig are my DAWs and maybe buy one synth a year. REMEBER SELF just one a year!

Vehrka
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13 posts since 6 Dec, 2016

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:36 am

pdxindy wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:23 pm
you Mac or PC?
Mac and so reading all the reports of bad performance on Mac already has me thinking against W10 tbh

Vehrka
KVRer
13 posts since 6 Dec, 2016

Re: Waveform 10 vs other DAWs?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:41 am

jochicago wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:58 pm
There's a lot to like about Waveform, I have v9. I find the workflow fast and convenient, particularly when creating more than mixing.

There's also a lot to dislike. I personally don't use it anymore, moved to Studio One. T7 and W9 crash constantly, tons of compatibility problems with commercial plugins, stupid bugs that have been known for years, etc. Just can't use it when I also have S1 available. (Windows 10, Ryzen 7 CPU)

Price-wise, it may seem somewhat inviting but don't be fooled. S1 Pro can be had second hand or on a good sale for less than $200. When you compare S1 vs W9 at roughly the same price, IMO there's no competition at all. W9 is not ready to play in the big leagues by a distance. S1 never crashes (for me), near 0 compatibility issues, the stock plugins are a world apart in quality, the engine handles twice the load before it crackles.

My advice: try it first, and try it for a while. It is easy to like a lot of the cool features, but see if you can also take the bad with the good. Then buy it on sale so it will sting less when it acts up.
I'm strongly considering S1 Pro too after seeing a lot of KVR users recommend it. I'm really liking Ableton's workflow right now however but with the $9.99 per month price on Splice it's very tempting. What would you say are the advantages of S1 Pro over Ableton Live Suite? (Btw speaking of prices, I'd be buying Live with an EDU license so I'd be saving like 30/40 percent which is why I'm even considering it)

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