SampleTank 4 on the way

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DrumAddict
KVRist
436 posts since 3 Jun, 2012

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:24 pm

did i miss something ? where are the ST2 legacy Instruments Import like in ST3 ? got it removed ? i can only see and find Sample Import .

Elektronisch
KVRAF
2822 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:26 pm

Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:42 am
jacqueslacouth wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:38 am
Have they got that list out yet of the comparison of instruments in each version?
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/st4/#soundlist
Ok i checked the list and it is very dissapointing the least. Sampletank 3 standart has more variety then standart 4.

Look if you sign up for standart edition you expect some sort of univeral rompler with all type of sounds and standart edition of v4 covers like only 30-50% of what Sampletank 3 had to offer. There is not a single String ensamble patch. I was expecting to see every area sounds just less of them and without those extra banks. But now standart is without some type of sounds at all.

I mean how you can fake even a simple orchestra sound when Standart version has only trombone and chromatic. Not even timpani drum :lol:

To sum up if you want Sampletank 3 like offerings you have to get ST4 Max

Come on IK you can do better :-)

mixtur.se
KVRist
32 posts since 24 Aug, 2017

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:28 pm

I ordered the USB-version but expected the software to be downloadable from my account as well (for future updates etc). Did anyone else who order the USB-version get the download as well?

mixtur.se
KVRist
32 posts since 24 Aug, 2017

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:29 pm

Quite a few people have asked about the overlap between ST3 and ST4, but I don´t see definitive answer to if there is an overlap, or if can safely keep my ST3 folder without wasting any hard drive space. Does anyone know?

crsattack
KVRer
2 posts since 22 Feb, 2019

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:15 pm

Can someone else with Windows 10 fully updated confirm whether they've been able to run the plugin or standalone? I don't think I've ever seen a program misbehave quite like this. It corrupts desktop graphics, crashes Windows Explorer, makes the entire computer hang, breaks the graphics driver causing the screen resolution to revert, and even crashes the Windows error reporting service. If this is widespread, IK's devs should be ashamed.

EDIT: If you're having these issues and only have 8 GB of RAM, increase the size of your page file in Windows. It needs to be around 4 GB or more for Sampletank 4 to even run. Credit to someone over on the IK Forum for figuring this out. How did this slip past quality control?

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Gamma-UT
KVRAF
4629 posts since 8 Jun, 2009 from UK

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:39 pm

mixtur.se wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:29 pm
Quite a few people have asked about the overlap between ST3 and ST4, but I don´t see definitive answer to if there is an overlap, or if can safely keep my ST3 folder without wasting any hard drive space. Does anyone know?
It's still downloading so I don't know for sure, but the download for Max includes all the existing ST3 content (other than the full Miroslav) plus a bunch of new ST4 instruments supplied in separate installer. It looks as though there is no direct overlap. But you will wind up with a lot of pianos.

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Peter - IK Multimedia
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6242 posts since 20 Oct, 2009

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:40 pm

DrumAddict wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:24 pm
did i miss something ? where are the ST2 legacy Instruments Import like in ST3 ? got it removed ? i can only see and find Sample Import .
You don't need to import SampleTank 3 samples, as you can simply point SampleTank 4 to your SampleTank 3 library (as ST4 support multiple library locations now) and if you'd like to use SampleTank 2.x sounds you'll have to import (or have had to already imported) them into SampleTank 3.
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Peter - IK Multimedia
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6242 posts since 20 Oct, 2009

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:42 pm

mixtur.se wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:28 pm
I ordered the USB-version but expected the software to be downloadable from my account as well (for future updates etc). Did anyone else who order the USB-version get the download as well?
USB versions do not include a pre-download. You can download sounds after you receive and register
the USB version if you need to (and there will eventually be updates etc of course, too).
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Talvin
KVRist
323 posts since 14 Mar, 2005 from Germany

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:43 pm

No strings?? They can't be serious. I expected and upgrade and not a downgrade...
I think we all thought that we would at least get the same types of instruments in the standard version as before.

DrumAddict
KVRist
436 posts since 3 Jun, 2012

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:52 pm

Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:40 pm
DrumAddict wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:24 pm
did i miss something ? where are the ST2 legacy Instruments Import like in ST3 ? got it removed ? i can only see and find Sample Import .
You don't need to import SampleTank 3 samples, as you can simply point SampleTank 4 to your SampleTank 3 library (as ST4 support multiple library locations now) and if you'd like to use SampleTank 2.x sounds you'll have to import (or have had to already imported) them into SampleTank 3.
thanks for the clarification . tbh very dissapointing , in this case ST4 are an downgrade if you like some of the older ST2 Librarys for direct import older Instruments . new user which does not own a previous version can not use or import older ST2 Librarys .

another Question : Why the Folder View within the Instrument Browser gots removed also ? Why there are not even an drop down menu that user cold edit the browser tagging mode to your own like ?

very dissapointing too .

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Peter - IK Multimedia
KVRAF
6242 posts since 20 Oct, 2009

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:57 pm

DrumAddict wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:52 pm
Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:40 pm
DrumAddict wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:24 pm
did i miss something ? where are the ST2 legacy Instruments Import like in ST3 ? got it removed ? i can only see and find Sample Import .
You don't need to import SampleTank 3 samples, as you can simply point SampleTank 4 to your SampleTank 3 library (as ST4 support multiple library locations now) and if you'd like to use SampleTank 2.x sounds you'll have to import (or have had to already imported) them into SampleTank 3.
thanks for the clarification . tbh very dissapointing , in this case ST4 are an downgrade if you like some of the older ST2 Librarys for direct import older Instruments . new user which does not own a previous version can not use or import older ST2 Librarys .

another Question : Why the Folder View within the Instrument Browser gots removed also ? Why there are not even an drop down menu that user cold edit the browser tagging mode to your own like ?

very dissapointing too .
SampleTank 3 Custom Shop (which is free) can import SampleTank 2.x sounds if someone has skipped a version.

I will relay your thoughts on the browser/views too. Thank you.
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jcgam
KVRist
38 posts since 5 Jan, 2019

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:11 pm

I took a screen shot of the sounds available to download for ST4 MAX and crossed out the sounds available to download for ST3 MAX. If a sound isn't listed, then it is unique to ST4 MAX.

https://imgur.com/a/l3gOtjs

emasters
KVRist
212 posts since 17 Mar, 2010

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:01 pm

jcgam wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:11 pm
I took a screen shot of the sounds available to download for ST4 MAX and crossed out the sounds available to download for ST3 MAX. If a sound isn't listed, then it is unique to ST4 MAX.

https://imgur.com/a/l3gOtjs
Thanks! Surprising that IK doesn't have a tech note, that details this type of info.

jcgam
KVRist
38 posts since 5 Jan, 2019

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:32 pm

emasters wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:01 pm
jcgam wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:11 pm
I took a screen shot of the sounds available to download for ST4 MAX and crossed out the sounds available to download for ST3 MAX. If a sound isn't listed, then it is unique to ST4 MAX.

https://imgur.com/a/l3gOtjs
Thanks! Surprising that IK doesn't have a tech note, that details this type of info.
What we really need is a function to tell us what we are missing. For example if we miss one of the 16 piano installs we won't know until we hit a piano sample that doesn't work, and then good luck trying to find out which one is missing.

Vaultnaemsae
KVRer
15 posts since 8 Jul, 2017

Re: SampleTank 4 on the way

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:40 pm

Things to know:
- You may have to authorize the software twice - I did;
- 40 of the 101 packs (if I counted correctly) are double ups from ST3. If you have ST3 MAX istalled you'll already have 40% of the content. Maybe a blessing in disguise, or sleight of hand by IKMM marketing. You decide.
- Prepare to redownload many packages. I have had at least 5 corrupted downloads so far.
- Then you'll have to manage the multiple package installations. It's a LOT of packages. Be sure to have your concentration hat on.
- The way the ST4 content patch lists are set up there are multiples of patches (usually 3 - and I can't hear any difference in the 3 yet). So why have multiples? I'm sure I'm missing something here...
-I think the easiest install method is to use the default install location then move and repoint the entire folder where you want it to be then rebuild the library in settings.

Multiple library locations is cool. Bringing in ST3 was almost a breeze so thanks for mentioning the 'multiple library pointer'. Probably need to RTFM. I thought I'd have to consolidate the ST3 and ST4 libraries and was preparing for a long haul of trial and error. It really took me a long time to sort out the ST3/ST2/MP2/Syntronik consolidated library way back when. Now that they're consolidated they seem to just work in the ST4's UI.

I'm predicting close to 12 hours to finish install/setup. I slept while the sound files were downloading to save some time.

EDIT: On MacOS when your sound installation .app fails and declares a "no sound content" message use this helpful tip from IK MM forum:

"Re: 'Installation Aborted Cannot find any Sound Content to C
Postby djike » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:50 pm

MacOS: Right click on the installer, Show package contents, Click Contents, MacOS, Then click the sample tank installer. Terminal will open, then you should be able to use the installer. Sampletank will rebuild your database, and I think all should be okay after that."
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