First Look: The Orchestra by Sonuscore

[jancivil]

Now, I think you might be conflating his argument a bit.

Just keeping some perspective.

Brent

the ensemble patches are a step up from anything else on the market.

says what it says

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?
If not, it's simply not an equivalent library to The Orchestra in that respect.

Yeah, no, your overarching superlative is merely what you know, which isn't per se the best information available.

My perspective is reality-oriented there. In favor of better information, whether or not people will refuse it.
And there is no 'conflating', which means I'll have combined that remark with some other thing. Nor did I (or could I) inflate it, it's flown as high as a statement can. He or she could have checked to see if there's anything that does those things (or quite a bit more) before stating there isn't anything, and then a second chance arises, but no again.

[koolkeys]

Now, I think you might be conflating his argument a bit.

Just keeping some perspective.

Brent

the ensemble patches are a step up from anything else on the market.

says what it says

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?
If not, it's simply not an equivalent library to The Orchestra in that respect.

Yeah, no, your overarching superlative is merely what you know, which isn't per se the best information available.

My perspective is reality-oriented there. In favor of better information, whether or not people will refuse it.
And there is no 'conflating', which means I'll have combined that remark with some other thing. Nor did I (or could I) inflate it, it's flown as high as a statement can. He or she could have checked to see if there's anything that does those things (or quite a bit more) before stating there isn't anything, and then a second chance arises, but no again.

I used the word "conflating" because I believe you were tacking on a bit of your own interpretations to his statement, and I believed it was not really representing what he meant.

I don't think anyone trying out The Orchestra, including the guy who made the statement in question, is suggesting that no other option out there can do what The Orchestra can do. But when you mix the workflow and slick interface, along with the fact that it is a full orchestra, it really is something unique.

If we accept your VSL comparison, we would have to compare The Orchestra to a product that is not only much more money (since The Orchestra isn't just strings), requires an additional VI-Pro purchase, and requires a LOT more setup time. Not exactly a great comparison.

Sure, when you put that time in and have all the needed products, VSL will obviously sound better and be more flexible. But the point of The Orchestra isn't to compete with products like that.

Remember, he said "the ensemble patches" are really a step up. Not that it was the best library with the most flexible sequencing abilities on the market. And when you replied, he even asked for clarification after admitting he wasn't familiar with the VSL strings library. And no, VSL does not offer ensemble patches out of the box that do those things (if they do, please point me to them because I certainly don't have them and would love some more sequenced presets to play with).

If you want to get technical, what you showed him in that video was NOT a competing library. You showed him a video of a software player that costs nearly 150 Euros if you want to do those things (the standard player doesn't include that functionality). And you quoted a VSL strings library that costs nearly as much as The Orchestra by itself, but doesn't include any other instruments, nor does it include any form of ensemble patches. So your comparison isn't even a realistic one.

Again, I'm a VSL fan (and the VI-Pro player is spectacular). I really do believe you are taking his statement a bit too literally.

Brent

[Vortifex]

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[goldenhelix]

Now, I think you might be conflating his argument a bit.

Just keeping some perspective.

Brent

the ensemble patches are a step up from anything else on the market.

says what it says

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?
If not, it's simply not an equivalent library to The Orchestra in that respect.

Yeah, no, your overarching superlative is merely what you know, which isn't per se the best information available.

My perspective is reality-oriented there. In favor of better information, whether or not people will refuse it.
And there is no 'conflating', which means I'll have combined that remark with some other thing. Nor did I (or could I) inflate it, it's flown as high as a statement can. He or she could have checked to see if there's anything that does those things (or quite a bit more) before stating there isn't anything, and then a second chance arises, but no again.

I used the word "conflating" because I believe you were tacking on a bit of your own interpretations to his statement, and I believed it was not really representing what he meant.

I don't think anyone trying out The Orchestra, including the guy who made the statement in question, is suggesting that no other option out there can do what The Orchestra can do. But when you mix the workflow and slick interface, along with the fact that it is a full orchestra, it really is something unique.

If we accept your VSL comparison, we would have to compare The Orchestra to a product that is not only much more money (since The Orchestra isn't just strings), requires an additional VI-Pro purchase, and requires a LOT more setup time. Not exactly a great comparison.

Sure, when you put that time in and have all the needed products, VSL will obviously sound better and be more flexible. But the point of The Orchestra isn't to compete with products like that.

Remember, he said "the ensemble patches" are really a step up. Not that it was the best library with the most flexible sequencing abilities on the market. And when you replied, he even asked for clarification after admitting he wasn't familiar with the VSL strings library. And no, VSL does not offer ensemble patches out of the box that do those things (if they do, please point me to them because I certainly don't have them and would love some more sequenced presets to play with).

If you want to get technical, what you showed him in that video was NOT a competing library. You showed him a video of a software player that costs nearly 150 Euros if you want to do those things (the standard player doesn't include that functionality). And you quoted a VSL strings library that costs nearly as much as The Orchestra by itself, but doesn't include any other instruments, nor does it include any form of ensemble patches. So your comparison isn't even a realistic one.

Again, I'm a VSL fan (and the VI-Pro player is spectacular). I really do believe you are taking his statement a bit too literally.

Brent

This is jancivil we're talking about here: keyboard warrior, grammar and semantics enforcement officer and all-around self-important truth warrior. This is kind of her M.O.

[PaoloT]

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?

The combination of Special Edition, Vienna Instrument Pro, and its included APP Sequencer should be more or less equivalent. You get some "Inspiration Presets", that are orchestral multis. And you get pre-programmed chords and phrases.

How it compares with The Orchestra, I don't know. By owning NI's Action Strings, from the same developers of The Orchestra, I would say that they are very different, despite being both based on patterns and automatic arrangement. VSL is still aimed at classical/classical film composers, Sonuscore to more modern, apocalyptic music composers.

The price is different, but you trade low price and ease of use with flexibility.

Paolo

[jancivil]

Just keeping some perspective.

Brent

the ensemble patches are a step up from anything else on the market.

says what it says

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?
If not, it's simply not an equivalent library to The Orchestra in that respect.

Yeah, no, your overarching superlative is merely what you know, which isn't per se the best information available.

I used the word "conflating" because I believe you were tacking on a bit of your own interpretations to his statement, and I believed it was not really representing what he meant.

Conflating still means what it does; which you don't appear to have.

I don't think anyone trying out The Orchestra, including the guy who made the statement in question, is suggesting that no other option out there can do what The Orchestra can do.
If we accept your VSL comparison, we would have to compare The Orchestra to a product that is not only much more money (since The Orchestra isn't just strings), requires an additional VI-Pro purchase, and requires a LOT more setup time. Not exactly a great comparison.

Sure, when you put that time in and have all the needed products, VSL will obviously sound better and be more flexible. But the point of The Orchestra isn't to compete with products like that.

Remember, he said "the ensemble patches" are really a step up.

I know what was written and I quoted it. Twice, iirc. He said... see my emphasis in the quote above. You want to totally warp that into something it isn't, WHY? Things that do more take more time to set up? This does not change the fact.

I don't know what the point or marketplace goals of the product are. I addressed an assertion that isn't true. It still isn't true. I provided the group with an example of something which does {much} more than this thing does.
On topic. I'm not really worried if YOU think it isn't "exactly" a good comparison or if you "believe" I did something I didn't do. That's bullshit or you have a terrible reading comprehension. I think you don't, so you're bullshitting. Are you being paid to promote this product?

[jancivil]

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[jancivil]

Yeah, I don't know. Based in their video demo it kind of does look like they're competing as high-end for real composers. in that case, i recommend VSL. You'll love it, it's a way of life.

It looks like it's going to be a 'Powered by Kontakt' instrument, meaning not needing to buy Kontakt full. Yeah, the full VI Pro costs money, VI is free with any instrument or bundle.

[mcbpete]

On the 22nd there was an announcement of a v1.1 update of The Orchestra ( https://www.kvraudio.com/news/best-serv ... date-39955 ). Does anyone know of the release date for this, Best Service still has v1.0 in my account page so I'm guessing it's still a forthcoming update...

[mcbpete]

Just spoke to BestService and apparently the 1.1 update is coming mid-February

[Idematoa]

The Orchestra + SSE

https://soundcloud.com/user-919732565/entertainment

[jancivil]

Now, I think you might be conflating his argument a bit.

says what it says

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?
If not, it's simply not an equivalent library to The Orchestra in that respect.

Yeah, no, your overarching superlative isn't per se the best information available.

I don't think anyone trying out The Orchestra, including the guy who made the statement in question, is suggesting that no other option out there can do what The Orchestra can do.

If you want to get technical, what you showed him in that video was NOT a competing library. You showed him a video of a software player that costs nearly 150 Euros if you want to do those things (the standard player doesn't include that functionality). And you quoted a VSL strings library that costs nearly as much as The Orchestra by itself, but doesn't include any other instruments, nor does it include any form of ensemble patches. So your comparison isn't even a realistic one.

taking his statement a bit too literally.

This is jancivil we're talking about here: keyboard warrior, grammar and semantics enforcement officer and all-around self-important truth warrior. This is kind of her M.O.

I took a statement at face value. Saying taking it too literally is a semantics problem. Saying interpreting it by my own lights is conflating, well it's a semantics problem. Semantics means dealing with meanings of words. It's supposed to be ridiculous? Ok, then, carry on like it's nothing, this is your M.O., mine is dealing more strictly with what was said. You, 'literally' said there is nothing out there which compares, feature-wise. And there actually is. Yes, if we bring in price, the power of VSL costs more than 400 bucks. That is, to be literal, another matter than the plain statement which I found annoying. And we find that you didn't have any real need to check before stating it. Is that a mode of operation for you? I don't have to like it.

Remember, he said "the ensemble patches" are really a step up. Not that it was the best library with the most flexible sequencing abilities on the market. And when you replied, he even asked for clarification after admitting he wasn't familiar with the VSL strings library. And no, VSL does not offer ensemble patches out of the box that do those things (if they do, please point me to them because I certainly don't have them and would love some more sequenced presets to play with).

Sure, when you put that time in and have all the needed products, VSL will obviously sound better and be more flexible. But the point of The Orchestra isn't to compete with products like that.

If we accept your VSL comparison, we would have to compare The Orchestra to a product that is not only much more money (since The Orchestra isn't just strings), requires an additional VI-Pro purchase, and requires a LOT more setup time. Not exactly a great comparison.

When you put it this way, obviously enough true. There appears to have been a statement to take literally and so I did. My bad. I didn't make the argument Brent insinuated I did. I didn't say "Golden Helix" said those things. Again, staying to the literal.

[jancivil]

Somebody could read that and be misled.

Also, too: "while the VSL libraries themselves don't offer the ensemble functionality that The Orchestra does."
Which ones? No, the SE do not. If you have something with the APP sequencer patches you have more. This is semantics.

So: "keyboard warrior"
And what exactly are you doing in saying shit like that? You said one thing which the guy who tends to have a vested interest in talking things up tried to defend. And he got kind of shirty IME.
Saying "self-important" only makes you smaller.

[Kain]

the ensemble patches are a step up from anything else on the market.

seriously. VSL Strings Bundle, standard lib is 347 euro. let's be real here.

OK, I don't know VSL strings but does it have anything like the 'animated Orchestra' multis that enables you to play dynamic layered strings /brass/ woodwind sections with ostinatos, legato strings and brass stabs at the same time?
If not, it's simply not an equivalent library to The Orchestra in that respect.

Absolutely. Their instruments are extremely playable. But the entire full library comes at
€ 12,690 ouwch