Why Are A Disproportionate Number Of Songwriters British?

[BONES]

What are you talking about, I didn't vote for Trump or Schwarzenegger or Reagan? More to the point, I think it's pretty obvious that Australia also punches well above its weight when it comes to successful songwriters so your comment makes no sense at all.

The obvious answer to the original question is that Americans are just krap at anything worthwhile. They can't even elect proper people to run the joint.

On the brighter side, none of us has to have you for a neighbor, so there's that.

Are you sure? If you live on the coast, it could happen and you wouldn't know about it until it was too late.

[BONES]

it seems that you need more love and peace in your heart.

Right, because it's pervasiveness in society over the last few decades has made things so much better. Not. My heart has blood in it, nothing more.

[Bombadil]

What are you talking about, I didn't vote for Trump or Schwarzenegger or Reagan? More to the point, I think it's pretty obvious that Australia also punches well above its weight when it comes to successful songwriters.

The obvious answer to the original question is that Americans are just krap at anything worthwhile. They can't even elect proper people to run the joint.

On the brighter side, none of us has to have you for a neighbor, so there's that.

Are you sure? If you live on the coast, it could happen and you wouldn't know about it until it was too late.

The politics in your own country is pretty bonkers, that's what I'm talking about. To say more would be HPC territory.

[harryupbabble]

So, I found an article titled "Ranking the 50 States Based on Their Contribution to Popular Music"

https://www.complex.com/music/2013/10/s ... l-ranking/

According to that article, in America, the state of New York is number one in terms of "Contribution to Popular Music".
How does the state of New York compare to the United Kingdom?

The New York state population is 19.85 million (2017)
The UK population is 66.02 million (2017)

The total area of the United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 square kilometres (94,060 square miles)
The total area of the state of New York is approximately 141,300 square kilometres (54,555 square miles)

So, the UK has about three times more people than the state of New York.
The UK is also almost twice as big as the state of New York in terms of land.




List of New York songwriters (total of 151)

24-7 Spyz
2 In A Room
A Place To Bury Strangers
Alice Donut
Anthrax
Axolotl
Bad Ronald
Band Of Susans
Barkmarket
Battles
Beach Fossils
Beastie Boys
Blitzspeer
Blondie
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Bloodsimple
Bloody Panda
Blue Oyster Cult
Brand New
Brutal Truth
Castevet
Certain General
Chairlift
Circus Mort
Class Actress
Company Flow
Contre
Darwin Deez
De La Soul
Deee-Lite
Defunkt
Deleon
Diiv
Dj Logic
Drowners
Envy On The Coast
Errortype: Eleven
Even Worse
Four To The Bar
Freelance Whales
Full Blown Chaos
G-Unit
Gato Loco
Glassjaw
Goodbye Picasso
Grizzly Bear
Groove Theory
Growing
Grupo Latin Vibe
Helmet
Hem
Hercules And Love Affair
Holy Ghost!
Interpol
Ism
Javelin
Kid Creole And The Coconuts
Kinetics & One Love
Kiss
Leftöver Crack
Life Of Agony
Living Colour
Lord Tariq And Peter Gunz
Lotion
Method Man & Redman
Michael Hill's Blues Mob
Miller Miller Miller & Sloan
Mndr
Mod Fun
Murphy's Law
Naturally 7
Neon Boys
New York Dolls
One For All
Paperdoll
Parts & Labor
Pretendo
Ps22 Chorus
Public Enemy
Ramones
Ratatat
Richard Hell And The Voidoids
Roy Orbit
School Of Seven Bells
Scissor Sisters
Seguida
Sheer Terror
Shootyz Groove
Shy Child
Silos
Simon & Garfunkel
Skaters
Sleigh Bells
Sonic Youth
Startisan
Steely Dan
Suffocation
Swans
Taking Back Sunday
Talking Heads
Teenage Jesus And The Jerks
Television
Terror Squad
The Amygdaloids
The Antlers
The Blue Flames
The Brandos
The Cake
The Candles
The City And Horses
The Coachmen
The Cold Crush Brothers
The Cro-Mags
The Crystals
The Davenports
The Dictators
The Diplomats
The Drums
The Ghost Of A Saber Tooth Tiger
The Golden Filter
The Heartbreakers
The Hold Steady
The Hundred In The Hands
The Indecent
The Lounge Lizards
The Lovin' Spoonful
The Mamas & The Papas
The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart
The Pretty Reckless
The Ropes
The Shondes
The Steinettes
The Strokes
The Unlovables
The Velvet Underground
They Might Be Giants
Toilet Böys
Tomandandy
Trapped In Static
Trilogy
Twin Guns
Type O Negative
Ui
Unsane
Vampire Weekend
Weep
White Zombie
Wu-Tang Clan
Wungabongas
X27
Yeah Yeah Yeahs





List of United Kingdom songwriters (total of 397)

Adam Faith
Adam And The Ants
Adele
Al Stewart
Alex Turner
Alt-J
Amy Winehouse
Anathema
Annie Lennox
Aphex Twin
Archive
Arctic Monkeys
Autechre
Aztec Camera
Bad Company
Badfinger
Badly Drawn Boy
Bat For Lashes
Bauhaus
Bay City Rollers
Beatles
Belle & Sebastian
Biffy Clyro
Billy Bragg
Billy J Kramer
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Black Sabbath
Blind Faith
Blodwyn Pig
Blur
Boards Of Canada
Bombay Bicycle Club
Brian Eno
Brian Poole & The Trememloes
Broadcast
Bryan Ferry
Burial
Buzzcocks
Camel
Camera Obscura
Caravan
Cardiacs
Cast
Cat Stevens
Catherine Wheel
Chad & Jeremy
Chris Spedding
Cilla Black
Cliff Bennett & The Rebel Rousers
Cliff Richard
Cocteau Twins
Coil
Coldplay
Cosmic Baby
Cream
Curve
David Bowie
David Gilmour
David Gray
David Sylvian
Deep Purple
Def Leppard
Denny Laine
Depeche Mode
Derek And The Dominos
Dexys Midnight Runners
Dido
Dire Straits
Django Django
Donovan
Doves
Duran Duran
Dusty Springfield
Echo & The Bunnymen
Ed Sheeran
Editors
Elbow
Electric Light Orchestra
Electric Wizard
Elton John
Elvis Costello
Engelbert Humperdinck
Enya
Eric Burdon & The Animals
Eric Clapton
Eurythmics
Everything But The Girl
Fka Twigs
Fairport Convention
Fatboy Slim
Fields Of The Nephilim
Florence And The Machine
Foghat
Frank Ifield
Frank Turner
Franz Ferdinand
Freddie Mercury
Freddie And The Dreamers
Free
Frightened Rabbit
f**k Buttons
Gang Of Four
Gary Numan
Genesis
George Harrison
George Michael
Georgie Fame
Gerry & The Pacemakers
Gilbert O'sullivan
Glasvegas
Goldfrapp
Gomez
Gorillaz
Happy Mondays
Hawkwind
Helen Shapiro
Herman's Hermits
Humble Pie
Hurt By Love
Idlewild
Iron Maiden
Jackie Trent
Jake Bugg
James
James Blake
Jamie Xx
Jeff Beck
Jethro Tull
Joe Jackson
Joe Meek And The Blue Men
John Barry
John Cale
John Lennon
John Martyn
Johnny Kidd & The Pirates
Jon Hopkins
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Kaiser Chiefs
Kasabian
Kate Bush
Kathy Kirby
Keane
Kieran Hebden
Killing Joke
King Crimson
Laura Marling
Led Zeppelin
Leftfield
Linda Thompson
Lindisfarne
Lloyd Cole
Lloyd Cole And The Commotions
Love And Rockets
Lulu
Lush
M.I.A.
Madness
Magazine
Magnum
Manfred Mann
Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Manic Street Preachers
Marianne Faithfull
Marillion
Marmalade
Mary Hopkin
Massive Attack
Matt Monro
Maxïmo Park
Metronomy
Mick Ronson
Mike + The Mechanics
Miles Kane
Mogwai
Morrissey
Mott The Hoople
Motörhead
Muse
My Chemical Romance
Nazareth
Neoclassical Pirate Metal
New Order
New Vaudeville Band
Nick Beggs
Nick Drake
Noel Gallagher
Oasis
Orbital
Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark
Ozzy Osbourne
Pj Harvey
Palma Violets
Paolo Nutini
Paul Mccartney
Paul Weller
Pet Shop Boys
Pete Doherty
Pete Townshend
Peter Frampton
Peter Gabriel
Peter Hammill
Peter And Gordon
Petula Clark
Phil Collins
Pilot
Pink Floyd
Placebo
Porcupine Tree
Portishead
Prefab Sprout
Pretenders
Procol Harum
Public Image Ltd
Pulp
Queen
Radiohead
Rainbow
Ranker Video
Red Rum
Richard Thompson
Rick Wakeman
Ride
Ringo Starr
Robbie Williams
Robert Plant
Robert Wyatt
Robin Trower
Rockin' Berries
Rod Stewart
Roger Waters
Rory Storm And The Hurricanes
Roxy Music
Roy Wood
Royal Blood
Saint Etienne
Sandie Shaw
Sex Pistols
Shirley Bassey
Showaddywaddy
Simple Minds
Sing-Sing
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Slade
Slaves
Slowdive
Smokie
Snow Patrol
Soft Machine
Sopwith Camel
Spacemen 3
Spiritualized
Spooky Tooth
Squeeze
Status Quo
Stealers Wheel
Steeleye Span
Stereolab
Stereophonics
Steve Hackett
Steven Wilson
Stiff Little Fingers
Sting
Suede
Supergrass
Supertramp
Swervedriver
T. Rex
Talk Talk
Tears For Fears
Teenage Fanclub
Temples
The Adverts
The Advertspunk Rock
The Alan Parsons Project
The Arcana
The Babys
The Bachelors
The Beat
The Beta Band
The Blue Nile
The Boo Radleys
The Chameleons
The Charlatans
The Chemical Brothers
The Clash
The Coral
The Cribs
The Cult
The Cure
The Dallas Boys
The Damned
The Darkness
The Dave Clark Five
The Divine Comedy
The Drums
The Easybeats
The Enid
The Equals
The Exploited
The Faces
The Fall
The Fortunes
The Foundations
The Fourmost
The Fratellis
The Hamsters
The Honeycombs
The Hullaballoos
The Human League
The Incredible String Band
The Ivy League
The Jam
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
The Kinks
The Kooks
The La's
The Last Shadow Puppets
The Libertines
The Maccabees
The Mccoys
The Merseybeats
The Merseys
The Mindbenders
The Mission
The Moody Blues
The Move
The Nashville Teens
The Outfield
The Pogues
The Police
The Pop Group
The Pretty Things
The Prodigy
The Psychedelic Furs
The Quarrymen
The Rolling Stones
The Searchers
The Shadows
The Silkie
The Sisters Of Mercy
The Slits
The Small Faces
The Smiths
The Sorrows
The Sound
The Specials
The Stone Roses
The Stranglers
The Streets
The Style Council
The Sundays
The Swinging Blue Jeans
The Tears
The The
The Tornados
The Tremeloes
The Troggs
The Vaccines
The Vaselines
The Vernons Girls
The Verve
The View
The Waterboys
The Wedding Present
The Who
The Wild Beasts
The Yardbirds
The Zombies
The Xx
Them
This Heat
Threshold
Tindersticks
Tom Jones
Tones On Tail
Traffic
Travis
Tricky
Two Door Cinema Club
Ufo
Ultravox
Underworld
Uriah Heep
Van Morrison
Van Der Graaf Generator
Vashti Bunyan
Warrior Soul
Wayne Fontana
Whitesnake
Wings
Wire
Wishbone Ash
Xtc
Yes
Young Marble Giants
Yuck

[harryupbabble]

I noticed that the Fine Young Cannibals are not in the UK list.. and so it's possible both lists are incomplete and could be faulty.

But damn, the UK list is just so much better than the New York list? Yes, it's subjective, but come on?

[jacqueslacouth]

Not

[BONES]

Those people might have exploited loopholes in the electoral system to sneak into parliament but they ain't running the joint.

[herodotus]

What are you talking about, I didn't vote for Trump or Schwarzenegger or Reagan? More to the point, I think it's pretty obvious that Australia also punches well above its weight when it comes to successful songwriters.

The obvious answer to the original question is that Americans are just krap at anything worthwhile. They can't even elect proper people to run the joint.

On the brighter side, none of us has to have you for a neighbor, so there's that.

Are you sure? If you live on the coast, it could happen and you wouldn't know about it until it was too late.

Ah, but I dont live on either of the coasts. I live in flyover country, where normal people can actually afford to buy a decent house.

[vurt]

you live with normal?

[Protocol_b]

Is the UK still seeing value in a more classical education, which might involve music and literature? America doesn't. The culture has devolved. Once upon a time America produced jazz for example. Now it produces extruded music like it was vinyl siding. Fully corporatized and aimed at the lowest common denominator. The triumph of corporate marketing. Each tune analyzed pre-release to ensure that 'X' happens exactly at beat number 'Y', with 'N' breaks. Lyrics have become slogans. The pop'n & lock'n and fashion show is more important than the content. The same downward curve can be observed in language and writing. Cinema as well. If you follow the money far enough you find yourself in Satan's anus.

We actually produce a TON of tunes here. Problem is you can't remember them 5 minutes later.

P.S. Get off my lawn!

[Protocol_b]

ETA to a previous comment: Hendrix wasn't Hendrix until the UK made him Hendrix and then mystifyingly gave him back to us. Poorly played, Britain! But thank you.

[vurt]

given the uk is currently tearing itself in two arguing over how quickly we should metaphorically shoot our own brains out, im not sure whatever education system we are using is working

[vurt]

So, I found an article titled "Ranking the 50 States Based on Their Contribution to Popular Music"

https://www.complex.com/music/2013/10/s ... l-ranking/

According to that article, in America, the state of New York is number one in terms of "Contribution to Popular Music".
How does the state of New York compare to the United Kingdom?

The New York state population is 19.85 million (2017)
The UK population is 66.02 million (2017)

The total area of the United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 square kilometres (94,060 square miles)
The total area of the state of New York is approximately 141,300 square kilometres (54,555 square miles)

So, the UK has about three times more people than the state of New York.
The UK is also almost twice as big as the state of New York in terms of land.




List of New York songwriters (total of 151)

24-7 Spyz
2 In A Room
A Place To Bury Strangers
Alice Donut
Anthrax
Axolotl
Bad Ronald
Band Of Susans
Barkmarket
Battles
Beach Fossils
Beastie Boys
Blitzspeer
Blondie
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Bloodsimple
Bloody Panda
Blue Oyster Cult
Brand New
Brutal Truth
Castevet
Certain General
Chairlift
Circus Mort
Class Actress
Company Flow
Contre
Darwin Deez
De La Soul
Deee-Lite
Defunkt
Deleon
Diiv
Dj Logic
Drowners
Envy On The Coast
Errortype: Eleven
Even Worse
Four To The Bar
Freelance Whales
Full Blown Chaos
G-Unit
Gato Loco
Glassjaw
Goodbye Picasso
Grizzly Bear
Groove Theory
Growing
Grupo Latin Vibe
Helmet
Hem
Hercules And Love Affair
Holy Ghost!
Interpol
Ism
Javelin
Kid Creole And The Coconuts
Kinetics & One Love
Kiss
Leftöver Crack
Life Of Agony
Living Colour
Lord Tariq And Peter Gunz
Lotion
Method Man & Redman
Michael Hill's Blues Mob
Miller Miller Miller & Sloan
Mndr
Mod Fun
Murphy's Law
Naturally 7
Neon Boys
New York Dolls
One For All
Paperdoll
Parts & Labor
Pretendo
Ps22 Chorus
Public Enemy
Ramones
Ratatat
Richard Hell And The Voidoids
Roy Orbit
School Of Seven Bells
Scissor Sisters
Seguida
Sheer Terror
Shootyz Groove
Shy Child
Silos
Simon & Garfunkel
Skaters
Sleigh Bells
Sonic Youth
Startisan
Steely Dan
Suffocation
Swans
Taking Back Sunday
Talking Heads
Teenage Jesus And The Jerks
Television
Terror Squad
The Amygdaloids
The Antlers
The Blue Flames
The Brandos
The Cake
The Candles
The City And Horses
The Coachmen
The Cold Crush Brothers
The Cro-Mags
The Crystals
The Davenports
The Dictators
The Diplomats
The Drums
The Ghost Of A Saber Tooth Tiger
The Golden Filter
The Heartbreakers
The Hold Steady
The Hundred In The Hands
The Indecent
The Lounge Lizards
The Lovin' Spoonful
The Mamas & The Papas
The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart
The Pretty Reckless
The Ropes
The Shondes
The Steinettes
The Strokes
The Unlovables
The Velvet Underground
They Might Be Giants
Toilet Böys
Tomandandy
Trapped In Static
Trilogy
Twin Guns
Type O Negative
Ui
Unsane
Vampire Weekend
Weep
White Zombie
Wu-Tang Clan
Wungabongas
X27
Yeah Yeah Yeahs





List of United Kingdom songwriters (total of 397)

Adam Faith
Adam And The Ants
Adele
Al Stewart
Alex Turner
Alt-J
Amy Winehouse
Anathema
Annie Lennox
Aphex Twin
Archive
Arctic Monkeys
Autechre
Aztec Camera
Bad Company
Badfinger
Badly Drawn Boy
Bat For Lashes
Bauhaus
Bay City Rollers
Beatles
Belle & Sebastian
Biffy Clyro
Billy Bragg
Billy J Kramer
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Black Sabbath
Blind Faith
Blodwyn Pig
Blur
Boards Of Canada
Bombay Bicycle Club
Brian Eno
Brian Poole & The Trememloes
Broadcast
Bryan Ferry
Burial
Buzzcocks
Camel
Camera Obscura
Caravan
Cardiacs
Cast
Cat Stevens
Catherine Wheel
Chad & Jeremy
Chris Spedding
Cilla Black
Cliff Bennett & The Rebel Rousers
Cliff Richard
Cocteau Twins
Coil
Coldplay
Cosmic Baby
Cream
Curve
David Bowie
David Gilmour
David Gray
David Sylvian
Deep Purple
Def Leppard
Denny Laine
Depeche Mode
Derek And The Dominos
Dexys Midnight Runners
Dido
Dire Straits
Django Django
Donovan
Doves
Duran Duran
Dusty Springfield
Echo & The Bunnymen
Ed Sheeran
Editors
Elbow
Electric Light Orchestra
Electric Wizard
Elton John
Elvis Costello
Engelbert Humperdinck
Enya
Eric Burdon & The Animals
Eric Clapton
Eurythmics
Everything But The Girl
Fka Twigs
Fairport Convention
Fatboy Slim
Fields Of The Nephilim
Florence And The Machine
Foghat
Frank Ifield
Frank Turner
Franz Ferdinand
Freddie Mercury
Freddie And The Dreamers
Free
Frightened Rabbit
f**k Buttons
Gang Of Four
Gary Numan
Genesis
George Harrison
George Michael
Georgie Fame
Gerry & The Pacemakers
Gilbert O'sullivan
Glasvegas
Goldfrapp
Gomez
Gorillaz
Happy Mondays
Hawkwind
Helen Shapiro
Herman's Hermits
Humble Pie
Hurt By Love
Idlewild
Iron Maiden
Jackie Trent
Jake Bugg
James
James Blake
Jamie Xx
Jeff Beck
Jethro Tull
Joe Jackson
Joe Meek And The Blue Men
John Barry
John Cale
John Lennon
John Martyn
Johnny Kidd & The Pirates
Jon Hopkins
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Kaiser Chiefs
Kasabian
Kate Bush
Kathy Kirby
Keane
Kieran Hebden
Killing Joke
King Crimson
Laura Marling
Led Zeppelin
Leftfield
Linda Thompson
Lindisfarne
Lloyd Cole
Lloyd Cole And The Commotions
Love And Rockets
Lulu
Lush
M.I.A.
Madness
Magazine
Magnum
Manfred Mann
Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Manic Street Preachers
Marianne Faithfull
Marillion
Marmalade
Mary Hopkin
Massive Attack
Matt Monro
Maxïmo Park
Metronomy
Mick Ronson
Mike + The Mechanics
Miles Kane
Mogwai
Morrissey
Mott The Hoople
Motörhead
Muse
My Chemical Romance
Nazareth
Neoclassical Pirate Metal
New Order
New Vaudeville Band
Nick Beggs
Nick Drake
Noel Gallagher
Oasis
Orbital
Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark
Ozzy Osbourne
Pj Harvey
Palma Violets
Paolo Nutini
Paul Mccartney
Paul Weller
Pet Shop Boys
Pete Doherty
Pete Townshend
Peter Frampton
Peter Gabriel
Peter Hammill
Peter And Gordon
Petula Clark
Phil Collins
Pilot
Pink Floyd
Placebo
Porcupine Tree
Portishead
Prefab Sprout
Pretenders
Procol Harum
Public Image Ltd
Pulp
Queen
Radiohead
Rainbow
Ranker Video
Red Rum
Richard Thompson
Rick Wakeman
Ride
Ringo Starr
Robbie Williams
Robert Plant
Robert Wyatt
Robin Trower
Rockin' Berries
Rod Stewart
Roger Waters
Rory Storm And The Hurricanes
Roxy Music
Roy Wood
Royal Blood
Saint Etienne
Sandie Shaw
Sex Pistols
Shirley Bassey
Showaddywaddy
Simple Minds
Sing-Sing
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Slade
Slaves
Slowdive
Smokie
Snow Patrol
Soft Machine
Sopwith Camel
Spacemen 3
Spiritualized
Spooky Tooth
Squeeze
Status Quo
Stealers Wheel
Steeleye Span
Stereolab
Stereophonics
Steve Hackett
Steven Wilson
Stiff Little Fingers
Sting
Suede
Supergrass
Supertramp
Swervedriver
T. Rex
Talk Talk
Tears For Fears
Teenage Fanclub
Temples
The Adverts
The Advertspunk Rock
The Alan Parsons Project
The Arcana
The Babys
The Bachelors
The Beat
The Beta Band
The Blue Nile
The Boo Radleys
The Chameleons
The Charlatans
The Chemical Brothers
The Clash
The Coral
The Cribs
The Cult
The Cure
The Dallas Boys
The Damned
The Darkness
The Dave Clark Five
The Divine Comedy
The Drums
The Easybeats
The Enid
The Equals
The Exploited
The Faces
The Fall
The Fortunes
The Foundations
The Fourmost
The Fratellis
The Hamsters
The Honeycombs
The Hullaballoos
The Human League
The Incredible String Band
The Ivy League
The Jam
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
The Kinks
The Kooks
The La's
The Last Shadow Puppets
The Libertines
The Maccabees
The Mccoys
The Merseybeats
The Merseys
The Mindbenders
The Mission
The Moody Blues
The Move
The Nashville Teens
The Outfield
The Pogues
The Police
The Pop Group
The Pretty Things
The Prodigy
The Psychedelic Furs
The Quarrymen
The Rolling Stones
The Searchers
The Shadows
The Silkie
The Sisters Of Mercy
The Slits
The Small Faces
The Smiths
The Sorrows
The Sound
The Specials
The Stone Roses
The Stranglers
The Streets
The Style Council
The Sundays
The Swinging Blue Jeans
The Tears
The The
The Tornados
The Tremeloes
The Troggs
The Vaccines
The Vaselines
The Vernons Girls
The Verve
The View
The Waterboys
The Wedding Present
The Who
The Wild Beasts
The Yardbirds
The Zombies
The Xx
Them
This Heat
Threshold
Tindersticks
Tom Jones
Tones On Tail
Traffic
Travis
Tricky
Two Door Cinema Club
Ufo
Ultravox
Underworld
Uriah Heep
Van Morrison
Van Der Graaf Generator
Vashti Bunyan
Warrior Soul
Wayne Fontana
Whitesnake
Wings
Wire
Wishbone Ash
Xtc
Yes
Young Marble Giants
Yuck

lists make me horny

[harryupbabble]

lists make me horny

And then what? Hahaha. Never mind.

[harryupbabble]

I meant, what if your girlfriend isn't there?