Collective Multitimbral?

[mchoffmann]

I understand Collective can be used als a multitimbral instrument.
I can add a 2nd patch in the Browser using "+", but every time i choose the second instrument, the first one is deleted, leaving me only with Sound Nr 2.

Tried this and that, updated zu V 1.2.2, i am on T9.

Any ideas what i am doing wrong?

Cheers
Marc

[Stuttaton]

It's multitimbral. You can add it to several tracks and choose a different patch for each.

[Watchful]

I agree with Stuttaton--it's easier to add a second or third instance of Collective rather than try to layer different sounds.

[Clac]

I have the same question.
It would seem so easy to do it, but for some reason it does not work. Or am I doing something wrong.

The fact that you can add other Collective instances is not considered, otherwise why is there such an opportunity at all in this instrument ? I want to add layers in one Collective, I like it more.

[midklang]

i choose the second instrument,

What do you mean? 'second instrument'?
Just one instrument is containing one or multiple layers each carrying a different sound.
You can't select multiple instruments. The '+' button is adding a new layer for a new sound within that instrument.
horst

[mchoffmann]

Anyway, the+-Button does not seem to add a 2nd sound or layer gut at the same time kills sound no 1....
strange....
Marc

[midklang]

.. does not seem to add a 2nd sound

Mmhh, I do know, that doesn't help, but here everything is like expected. four, five, six ... layers, no problem.
Dumb question?: Do you have the latest version 1.2.2 ?

[mchoffmann]

Yep, i updated last week an am aon V1.2.2

But if it isn´t multichannel it won´t replace my sampletank3 anyways, so i will have to stick with what i have.....

[Wolfram Franke]

Hi,

Collective is not multitimbral but it is multilayered. Multitimbral means it would receive notes on different MIDI channels and would play individual sounds for each of the channels. Multilayered on the other hand means that you can create instruments with several sound layers in them, which are all played at the same time, provided you haven't limited their key and/or velocity ranges.

Collective's main data format is an Instrument, which you load via the browser. Each Instrument has a number of Sounds, at least one, but maybe more, which are the aforementioned layers.

When you press the "+" button, you add another Sound layer. You can then edit it to your likeness or load in a sound that you have made earlier.

But, and here's what you probably misunderstood: in the Browser, you select and load *Instruments*. So, as soon as you load an Instrument, it is not loaded into your newly created Sound layer but replaces the whole content of this Collective instance. In consequence, your newly created Sound layer is gone.

What you have to do instead: if you want to add a Sound of one Instrument to another, select that Sound and save it to disk via the "Save" button on the Sound page. Then load in a different Instrument via the Browser, create a new Sound layer with the "+" button and load the previously saved Sound via the "Load" button on the Sound page.

Why so complicated? As of right now, we only ship Collective with "Instruments", not with "Sounds" to make your own layers quickly. It's on our list for a future update, though. Also, we plan to offer a second browser for those individual Sounds so that you don't have to go through the usual file dialog.

"But if it isn´t multichannel it won´t replace my sampletank3 anyways": I don't understand why you would want to replace one plugin by another. The whole idea of getting a new plugin is to complement the ones you already have. SampleTank can do things that Collective can't but Collective can do things SampleTank can't (i.e. FM or VA synthesis). Also, their sound character and their library content are completely different, so you should consider using both, depending on the sound you want to achieve.

Best wishes,

Wolfram

[mchoffmann]

Hi Wolfram,
thanks for the info, i now get it.
Still seems a little "Counterintuitive" to me but that is another story....

Regards
Marc