Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

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SparkySpark
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1500 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Post Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:30 am

Thanks Ploki for the notes on usage! Can't wait to do more testing with it.

BTW, the "manual" agrees with your observation regarding discovering faults in the mix:

"The main equaliser graph display provides you with real-time information about the processing that Gullfoss performs. You can use this graph to understand the problems that Gullfoss is trying to deal with in your signal. For example, if you observe that the frequencies above 4 kHz are consistently lifted by around 6 dB, then you can implement this as a change in your mix to improve the sound independently of Gullfoss."
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Hanz Meyzer
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Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:32 am

Ploki wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:42 am
yes, but you will be only be able to activate the mac version after the introductory price period has been over.
most plugins upon their release have a short period of "introductory pricing", and Win version of Gullfoss is treated as such.
Because Mac version already had an introductory version last year for discount, Sound Theory is trying to discourage Mac buyers to take advantage of Windows version introductory pricing by limiting their ability to activate a discounted license during the introductory period.

Are you 1000% sure about this? I don't trust anything regarding ilok. The license code normally works cross-platform? Since I have no use at all for a windows version.

SparkySpark
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Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:45 am

Note to all prospective buyers (especially Mac users): Gullfoss is normally available for a 50 % discount for academic users, i.e. the same as the current Win price but less expensive than the current Mac price.

That said, according to the website you cannot get 50 % off the discounted price (which seems fair), so 99 bucks is the lowest price.
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Ploki
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718 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:15 am

Hanz Meyzer wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:32 am


Are you 1000% sure about this? I don't trust anything regarding ilok. The license code normally works cross-platform? Since I have no use at all for a windows version.
https://www.soundtheory.com/support
How does this affect the pricing of the Mac version of Gullfoss?

In general, a license for Gullfoss can be used on a Mac or Windows version (once Windows is released). But during Windows early access there will be one caveat. Any user can purchase a license for $99, but the half-price licenses will not be able to be used on Mac until we are out of early access. This means that you will not be able to use your $99 license on Mac for a period of a few months. You will, however, be able to purchase a license which can be used on Mac for a 20% discounted price of $159 during Windows early access.
SparkySpark wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:30 am
Thanks Ploki for the notes on usage! Can't wait to do more testing with it.

BTW, the "manual" agrees with your observation regarding discovering faults in the mix:

"The main equaliser graph display provides you with real-time information about the processing that Gullfoss performs. You can use this graph to understand the problems that Gullfoss is trying to deal with in your signal. For example, if you observe that the frequencies above 4 kHz are consistently lifted by around 6 dB, then you can implement this as a change in your mix to improve the sound independently of Gullfoss."
neat :D
but be aware - if the correction looks like a shelf it might mean that your mix is either bright or very bassy - which can both be fine if it's a conscious choice.
But yeah, on very balanced mixes i tried it on, gullfoss generally did next to nothing (+/-2dB) even when pushed to 100%.

jbraner
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899 posts since 8 Jan, 2003

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:27 am

But yeah, on very balanced mixes i tried it on, gullfoss generally did next to nothing (+/-2dB) even when pushed to 100%.
That's why we need to be able to "zoom in" a little - so we can see what the smaller changes are.

Ploki
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718 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:27 am

jbraner wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:27 am
But yeah, on very balanced mixes i tried it on, gullfoss generally did next to nothing (+/-2dB) even when pushed to 100%.
That's why we need to be able to "zoom in" a little - so we can see what the smaller changes are.
i agree, +/-24dB is too extreme for majority of use cases

Caine123
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5652 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:51 am

Hey guys i bought this and now im testin it more and more on various Materials. Dunno but so far i seem to like it more than unfilter, less cpu intense and more/easier controls but no final result.

In my mixes i wouldnt use more than +/- 3 to 6 db. But on mixes i dont have any stems etc how far would you go? I guess over +/- 6 db would be too heavy? What are your experiences? Of course it depends on the material.
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Armadillo
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2036 posts since 31 Dec, 2002 from London, UK

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:54 am

I must admit, I haven't looked at the meters really.
I just end up with either tame or recover at 30%-ish and the other one a bit lower.
On drums you can go higher I find, but on full mixes that's about my limit.

Excellent tool though. I use it on pretty much all busses, and sometimes on individual tracks too.

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plexuss
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2798 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:11 pm

Is it known when the Window pre-release period will be over? :phones:

sl1200mk2
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118 posts since 6 Jun, 2003

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:43 pm

plexuss wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:11 pm
Is it known when the Window pre-release period will be over? :phones:
On another forum one of the devs said to expect approximately two months from the initial release date to leave early access.

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plexuss
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2798 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:36 pm

So just to update with what I found. Below is from an earlier post taken from the Soundtheory FAQ. Also in this post, from 13 March it says it was released.

I'd guess then late April to early May for the pre-release to be over but that's just a guess. :phones:

How does this affect the pricing of the Mac version of Gullfoss?

In general, a license for Gullfoss can be used on a Mac or Windows version (once Windows is released). But, during Windows early access there will be one caveat. Any user can purchase a license for $99, but the half-price licenses will not be able to be used on Mac until we are out of early access. This could be as late as April 2019. This means that you will not be able to use your $99 license on Mac for a period of a few months. You will, however, be able to purchase a license which can be used on Mac for a 20% discounted price of $159 during Windows early access.

NeoKortex88
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95 posts since 3 Dec, 2018

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:53 am

I got both Gulfoss and Q3 and i cant tell yet which one i like more. I use Gulfoss on my master mainly. Any opinions?

Ploki
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718 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Soundtheory GULLFOSS computional auditory perception EQ

Post Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:17 am

Different tools in my opinion...
But any DAWs channel EQ can more easily replace Q3 (sans the dynamic part), while Gullfoss is unique.

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