Question on Bitwigs shuffle/swing values

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I've come across a few videos on youtube about using shuffle and have noticed that Ableton has many different profiles on shuffle, that are available, such as the MPC swing profiles. Since Bitwig doesn't have this ability, I'm trying to replicate the swing that is used in these profiles, but having a bit of trouble, so if you guys can explain how to go about this, that would be awesome!

As previously stated, I've come across videos/articles where they mention adding swing if the midi is drawn in and is too perfect. They'll say something like 52-55% swing on 16ths but noticed that when I do those values on Bitwig, that sort of swing is A LOT more than what I've seen in Ableton videos. What's the deal here? Is swing different for each DAW? I came up on an article about the famous MPC and how the swing in those machines are pretty much standard in electronic music (maybe other music as well? but focus is on house/techno/etc.) Apparently 50% swing on the MPC is no swing, but on Bitwig, adding that much is quite a bit. What does something like, 54% swing on an MPC, translate over to Bitwig's percentage? I thought I was doing something extremely wrong, as the swing I applied with their given percentages was always way different than the tutorials lol. Here's what I found on Linn talking about the the MPC, if it helps any.


I merely delay the second 16th note within each 8th note. In other words, I delay all the even-numbered 16th notes within the beat (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.) In my products I describe the swing amount in terms of the ratio of time duration between the first and second 16th notes within each 8th note. For example, 50% is no swing, meaning that both 16th notes within each 8th note are given equal timing.


So to sum up my question, how do I go about replicating the swing from an MPC/Ableton on Bitwig?

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About 31% in bitwig is about 60% in mpc,download the grooves from mars and you can see the swing in the midi files



https://samplesfrommars.com/products/grooves-from-mars


Audio is bitwig at 31-ish,midi is MPC60 16 Swing 60

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Sweet, Ill look into this!

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So I checked it out and this tool will be super valuable! MPC60 swing 55 is around 6% on Bitwig, and MPC60 swing 60 is around 25%.

It really would be awesome if I could drop the midi pattern straight into the proper piano roll/drum kit slot. It only allows me to drop it in on C1/first slot of drum kit. Is there anyway to drop straight into the slot without it being forced into C1? I guess the easiest thing to do would be to get the pattern down before adding any midi to C1, then just highlight and move it up. I mean so far, it isn't to bad. Might not have the easiness of Ableton with applying a desired swing, but having the midi as reference for percentage is fair enough, or getting the midi down on first clip should suffice, as rest of the clips will be duplicated. Thanks once again! I gave up on shuffle a while back as the percentages on Bitwig never translated over from what the instructions videos lol. It makes much more sense now.

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Groove IMO is ass in Bitwig. Bitwig really needs a more intuitive way of using swing/groove like Ableton does.

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Bumping this topic again to see if anyone else wishes there was better swing/shuffle implementation. I was already towards end of a song and decided to try some swing/shuffle. By this time, I already had all the patterns down so using the midi files was a bit much, as they're just files and puts the pattern into C1; it doesn't change the pattern on the existing midi notes. I just opted to use the built in Shuffle with some values I wrote down.

MPC60 16 swing = __% on Bitwig
54 = 6.2%
56= 12.6%
58= 18.8%
60= 25.0%
62= 31.2%
I did not add 52 because it seems like there is no shuffle, only swing, which Bitwig doesn't touch. Above 62 the swing and shuffle really can't be imitated with Bitwig as the swung notes are further and further

These values are close to the Shuffled values on the MPC60 but Bitwig doesn't mess with the Swung 16th notes (5th,9th,13th) which really adds that last little something. I had the even values shuffled correctly with the percentages shown above but the few that didn't have Swing really changes the groove. Do you think Bitwig should work on something like Ableton where it changes the groove easily, and implements both swing and shuffle, not just shuffle? I mean, it's doable to select a Swing groove, such as the grooves provided by Samples from Mars, but it seems you're "stuck" with that groove unless you manually change it, versus being able to flip through different grooves such as Ableton. What are your thoughts?

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Not a direct answer to your question, but something related that you might find useful, if you haven't discovered already: I recently discovered that Bitwig's Grid LFOs can produce shuffle signals with just one LFO. This is done by adjusting the right channel phase offset near the lower right of the module. The LFO then produces two out-of-phase signals, which you can adjust to get the amount of shuffle you'd like (assuming you're not splitting left and right and sending to different places). Trying a 120-degree offset to start with should provide a pretty audible illustration.

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bboxdw wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:03 am Not a direct answer to your question, but something related that you might find useful, if you haven't discovered already: I recently discovered that Bitwig's Grid LFOs can produce shuffle signals with just one LFO. This is done by adjusting the right channel phase offset near the lower right of the module. The LFO then produces two out-of-phase signals, which you can adjust to get the amount of shuffle you'd like (assuming you're not splitting left and right and sending to different places). Trying a 120-degree offset to start with should provide a pretty audible illustration.

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ere2learn wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:07 am About 31% in bitwig is about 60% in mpc,download the grooves from mars and you can see the swing in the midi files

https://samplesfrommars.com/products/grooves-from-mars


Audio is bitwig at 31-ish,midi is MPC60 16 Swing 60
Thanks so much for sharing this link, which I only just saw! Super useful - many thanks!

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