UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

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NeoKortex88
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119 posts since 3 Dec, 2018

Post Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:56 am

Can anyone educate me of Alchemy 2 vs Falcon?

sircuit
KVRian
640 posts since 15 Jul, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:25 am

Hard to compare them. But I'd rather say they are complementary. Modularity on Falcon's side vs spectral synthesis available only on Alchemy. Any number of sound sources in Falcon vs bigger selection of LFO shapes and speed up to 220 Hz (vs max 20 Hz in Falcon) in Alchemy. Easier handling of wavetables in Falcon (I'm not sure Alchemy even supports wavetable scanning or only wave shapes).

I suppose you have Logic Alchemy and wonder if Falcon can add more so in my opinion yes, it definitely does.

NeoKortex88
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119 posts since 3 Dec, 2018

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:24 am

Well I kinda overbought. My synths are Alchemy, Avenger, Falcon and Zebra2/ZebraHz.

Iam wondering which synth to learn to master first after Avenger (i decided it’s my first choice).

sircuit
KVRian
640 posts since 15 Jul, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:05 pm

I don't think you overbought. Zebra2 can do things other ones can't. Avenger can do some cool things but I often tend to remove it from big projects as it is a very big resource eater (ram & CPU). Alchemy can mangle fast EXS packs and Falcon can be anything from a single-sample player to the most animated pads ever.
NeoKortex88 wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:24 am
I am wondering which synth to learn to master first after Avenger (i decided it’s my first choice).
Well, I can't speak for others but in my opinion whatever you learn will translate a lot to other synths too. Avenger is definitely the simplest one of the pack with it's fixed architecture. The other ones open the doors to experimentation.

I would strongly suggest to study the factory presets in Avenger to get a grip on Manuel's philosophy on making presets (a very straight-forward way, mostly layering). Then check the ZebraHz presets which are mainly made by Howard Scarr and you'll discover a completely different approach - a very smart way of doing presets with limited resources. Then go to Falcon, study the presets and also see how you can combine both of these approaches. Cheers! :tu:

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newuser2014
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46 posts since 14 Jan, 2014

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:54 am

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madmod001
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10 posts since 8 Feb, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:48 pm

I don't think you overbought :) they are all good but different synths. With that said I would concentrate on Falcon as once you get your head around that you can do a large chunk of what the others can do and more. You can then mix it all up into something new. For some, Falcon has a steep learning curve, but it will be the most rewarding and anything else after it will be a walk in the park.

machinesworking
KVRAF
1589 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:05 pm

Definitely Falcon, it's more of a PITA to wrap your head around than Zebra, so learning Zebra afterwards won't be so bad. You don't want to get confused enough learning Zebra then dive into an even more confusing synth/sampler.

That's a nice brutal arrangement of modern synths you bought BTW, Avenger is the one I don't own of the bunch, but I've got too many synths to be tempted by it at this point!

TrackGuyx
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8 posts since 27 Mar, 2019

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:57 pm

Thanks guys. One question: if i load up presets and wanna check how they are done at the edit tab it often just get like Ircam Granular or Wavetable (2) or something and i cant open it. Why is that?

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Sampleconstruct
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14548 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:10 pm

TrackGuyx wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:57 pm
Thanks guys. One question: if i load up presets and wanna check how they are done at the edit tab it often just get like Ircam Granular or Wavetable (2) or something and i cant open it. Why is that?
Open tree view on the left of the GUI, click on a keygroup you want to check, once you click on it, it will reveal itself in the interface.

madmod001
KVRer
10 posts since 8 Feb, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:13 pm

Try the tree, you can isolate the key groups from that

vertibration
KVRist
70 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:13 am

I eventually want to get Falcon, as I have synth anthology and want to use it with falcon. I am a bit hesitant as I find frustrating UI's and learning curves unfavorable to synths that are better laid out like Serum or U-He synths. Can anyone elaborate on a question for me?

Lets say I have Synth Anthology, and I want to make a simple sequence. Does Falcon recognize the whole preset in Synth Anthology? Or does it only take the single Oscillator? I am not understanding how that works in Falcon if you have expansions like Synth Anthology

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EvilDragon
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17978 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

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Post Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:30 am

Falcon works exactly like UVI Workstation regarding loading patches. You get greater editability options tho.

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Dillinger
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217 posts since 2 Apr, 2016

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:37 am

Imagine it as UVI workstation with total edit abilities, including, but not limited to, sequence ingredients, effects, even the sample.

It’s the best sampler around, imho.
I hear people complain about the interface which I can understand their qualms but it’s more like a CAD program interface which I’m quite comfortable with. I look at the programs as 3D models rather than patches.

...there are areas that need improvement though. fe, the 20 hertz thing mentioned above and the ability to snap to zero... but hey, it’s v1

UVI really needs a forum here, 333 pages is a joke.

Edit: guy ^ beat me to it.

NeoKortex88
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119 posts since 3 Dec, 2018

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:23 am

is it possible to access the samples used in the UVI libraries on my mac?
So that i can build my own sounds with it?

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Sampleconstruct
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14548 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Re: UVI Falcon - hybrid instrument - version 1.6 released

Post Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:21 am

NeoKortex88 wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:23 am
is it possible to access the samples used in the UVI libraries on my mac?
So that i can build my own sounds with it?
As they're stored in a protected container you would have to save each sample as an oscillator preset in order to use them in new patches.

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