What DAW Do You Hate?

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What DAW Do You Hate?

Poll ended at Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:16 am

Ableton Live
35
6%
Acoustica Mixcraft Pro Studio
2
0%
Apple GarageBand
24
4%
Apple Logic Pro
42
7%
Ardour
10
2%
Avid Pro Tools
53
9%
BandLab Sonar
12
2%
Bitwig Studio
17
3%
Cockos Reaper
62
11%
Harrison Mixbus
9
2%
Image-Line FL Studio
39
7%
Magix Acid Pro
2
0%
Magix Samplitude Pro X
10
2%
MOTU Digital Performer
4
1%
MuTools MuLab
2
0%
PreSonus Studio One
12
2%
Propellerhead Software Reason
15
3%
Renoise
3
1%
Steinberg Cubase
25
4%
Steinberg Nuendo
3
1%
Tracktion Software Waveform
10
2%
Hate is a negative emotion I don't give into
171
30%
 
Total votes: 562

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KVRist
277 posts since 8 May, 2018 from Sweden

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:36 am

Dasheesh wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:49 pm
v1o wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:12 pm
How did Reaper become the most hated DAW?

jealousy, have to realize that half the people are trying to sell you something, and the other half are buying what they selling.
Unlike Reaper, which is pure charity :)

Kongru
KVRist
400 posts since 23 Feb, 2017

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:37 am

Reaper all day every day

Fight me Reaper fanbois

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KVRAF
3149 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:13 am

reggie1979 wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:54 pm
Robmobius wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:25 pm
Bitwig... Bleach.
You mean "Dom" bleach, right? :hihi: The software is ok. Though I don't want to modulate the modulations of modulatory modul modulations, personally.
Ha ha... Pretty much. :D It started off with such potential!
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KVRian
1498 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:18 am

Renoise, Mixcraft, Acid and Mulab are currently tied for the most loved DAWs (or the least hated depending on how you look at it). In my opinion if you do something innovative you are going to foster a lot of resentment from jealous people. When people are completely indifferent about your product that's even worse than being hated.
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KVRist
229 posts since 11 Nov, 2012

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:51 am

Socially speaking hate has become very frowned upon. So I view this as an opportunity to indulge.
LIVE. LOGIC. Because I actually want to route MIDI. In a useful, flexible way. All the channels. Hey Ableton - there is more than one channel. Hey Apple - ever heard of parallel/discrete routing? Inter-channel-strip routing? I'm going to waste my third on a non-participant - MainStage. Same issues as Logic with a huge extra CPU load so it can indulge itself with '?'. Wait.... wait.... ahhhh hategasm. And no oh-face smiley to be found.

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KVRer
9 posts since 26 Mar, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:58 am

I never was able to really get into Ableton. Gave it a few tries, but I always end up not using it.

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KVRAF
4073 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:31 am

Not sure if i hate any DAW but there are some DAWs which hates me.

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teilo
KVRist
244 posts since 30 Mar, 2008

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:17 am

Logic, hands down. And note that in order to truly hate a DAW, you have to use it regularly. Which I do. But I hate Logic's flaky UI. Long-outstanding bugs just never get addressed. Stuff that should just work:
  • Mouse pointers getting stuck, making it impossible to tell if you are extending or looping a MIDI segment, requiring a restart of Logic to fix.
  • Tempo map copy-and-paste destroys the tempo map, but option-drag works fine (??!)
  • Grabbing automation handles is extremely flaky, making it necessary to constantly zoom in and out.
  • Smart-snap that isn't.
  • Region splitting that puts split notes on the wrong damn segment (Both resulting split notes should NOT be on the same segment. But they are.)
  • Undo moves the current position of the piano roll back to the position of the time cursor, even if you were miles away from it.
  • Playback deciding to start wherever the hell it feels like no matter where you put the time cursor.
  • All audio output just simply dying for no apparent reason, requiring a Logic restart to fix.
I've experienced these problems across three different machines, even with fresh builds / installs.
macOS | Ableton 10 | Bitwig 2.x | Reason 10
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reggie1979
KVRist
285 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:22 pm

THE INTRANCER wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:30 pm
I put my opinon on ebay, I'm selling it for 10 Euro's.. :-D
Rawight!

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BONES
GRRRRRRR!
7836 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:34 pm

Studio Saturn wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:12 am
How come do you manage to live with the vibration of hating something. karma accumulation at its best.
Easy, I'm not some dipshit hippie. I live in the real world and the real world is a pathetic, disgusting, hateful place, by and large. That I have a good life is no excuse not to see things for what they are.
One has to be sad to hate something to me.
One has to be on valium not to hate many things, to me.
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KVRian
804 posts since 27 Aug, 2004

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:49 pm

KBSoundSmith wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:18 am
Logic Pro, since it gated Alchemy behind a specific DAW on an operating system I dislike using.
That's not Logic's fault though, it's Apple's fault. And Apple was only able to do that because of its customer base. So I guess if you bought a Mac, even if you don't use Logic, you contributed in some small part to that situation.
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reggie1979
KVRist
285 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:15 pm

mumpcake wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:49 pm
KBSoundSmith wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:18 am
Logic Pro, since it gated Alchemy behind a specific DAW on an operating system I dislike using.
That's not Logic's fault though, it's Apple's fault. And Apple was only able to do that because of its customer base. So I guess if you bought a Mac, even if you don't use Logic, you contributed in some small part to that situation.
Forgive me, please. But though I don't understand completely, how can logic be separate from apple (other than extreme semantics) ???

I don't care if someone does or doesn't like something, but this doesn't seem to fit (well, not in a 2+2=4 math base)

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eluherlu
KVRist
87 posts since 13 Aug, 2017

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:38 pm

:o Reaper is most hated ?
I love Reaper customization so much, it makes me lazy to produce :lol:
But when I'm inspired enough, everything is so fast with Reaper
You only need to learn it enough

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KVRist
88 posts since 13 Mar, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:59 pm

BONES wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:34 pm
Studio Saturn wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:12 am
How come do you manage to live with the vibration of hating something. karma accumulation at its best.
Easy, I'm not some dipshit hippie. I live in the real world and the real world is a pathetic, disgusting, hateful place, by and large. That I have a good life is no excuse not to see things for what they are.
One has to be sad to hate something to me.
One has to be on valium not to hate many things, to me.
Kind of a narrow perspective coming from one human on a tiny planet spinning in a vast universe that is nearly 14 billions years old.

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Michael L
KVRAF
2600 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:13 pm

reggie1979 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:15 pm
how can logic be separate from apple
Because Apple is an abusive parent and Logic is their child. Does that fit?
reggie1979 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:15 pm
this doesn't seem to fit (well, not in a 2+2=4 math base)
but it does seem to fit in a 11 + 11 = 0110 base :wheee:
Last edited by Michael L on Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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