Am I the only person who feels like Reason is completely unusable since VST support?

[reggie1979]

-nvm (not really interested in debating monitior scaling)

+1000. It has NOTHING to do with VST use.

[Psuper]

^ heh, I was supporting your argument actually...

I know, which is why I came in to reiterate there is no argument or opinion on this factual matter, thus supporting your (and reefius's) support!

[antic604]

Anything bigger than 1080p is pointless on a laptop screen, unless you like looking at your screen through a magnifying glass.

It's just not. I've two laptops to compare - one regular 1080p screen and SP4, with much higher res. If I set the scaling on the latter to match the size of graphical elements on both, SP4 looks visibly much, much sharper and I can use it for longer without my eyes getting tired.

It's not pointless, it's just that most DAWs still can't take advantage of this - the only two that do this flawlessly are Live and Bitwig, Studio One is close.

[antic604]

^ heh, I was supporting your argument actually...

I know, which is why I came in to reiterate there is no argument or opinion on this factual matter, thus supporting your (and reefius's) support!

But your argument is native > native scaled > subnative; which no one is contesting, obviously.

What I'm saying is 4K native scaled 200% > 1080p native if done right (Live, Bitwig).

[BlackOctopus_Slade]

I only use it slaved with Pro Tools and have not found any CPU issues. But I am running a very souped up new Mac Mini since the updates on Reason so I have no idea how it would be on a computer that can't handle as much. I hope they work it out though as it sounds like lots of users are frustrated with its CPU issues.

[tony10000]

I am running Reason (along with Ableton and FL Studio) on a low-end Lenovo Ideapad 330 with a 8th gen Core i3 and 1366x768 display. No issues with Reason since I only use it with native synths and effects and REs. When I need VSTs, I use Ableton and FL.

[Psuper]

^ heh, I was supporting your argument actually...

I know, which is why I came in to reiterate there is no argument or opinion on this factual matter, thus supporting your (and reefius's) support!

But your argument is native > native scaled > subnative; which no one is contesting, obviously.

What I'm saying is 4K native scaled 200% > 1080p native if done right (Live, Bitwig).

Both can't be true, they're essentially the same, and native always wins:

1. A 4k monitor scaled to 200% means that your 4k screen is showing images at 1920 x 1080.

2. A 1080p monitor, at its native value is showing images at 1920 x 1080.

The 1080p screen wins in quality, period. Native > scaled > custom resolution.

[antic604]

Both can't be true, they're essentially the same, and native always wins:

1. A 4k monitor scaled to 200% means that your 4k screen is showing images at 1920 x 1080.

2. A 1080p monitor, at its native value is showing images at 1920 x 1080.

The 1080p screen wins in quality, period. Native > scaled > custom resolution.

We can't get to agreement on this, because what you're saying isn't true. 4K screen with 200% scaling and properly coded DAW (Live, Bitwig, Studio One) will display screen elements at the size they would be on a 1080p screen, but with 4x more detail (e.g. thinner borders, rounder corners, finer detail icons, less-aliased diagonal lines, etc.).

That's why I'm saying 4K scaled 200% > native 1080p (using the right DAW, not Reason!), because the former is much, much sharper even though everything's the same size.

[esselfortium]

Can I confirm, what is the main issues here, that the Reason product has a old school GUI and does not work well with a large screen 4K TV or computer monitor? Do if you don't use a large screen 4k you should be fine?

I'd say so. I'm using it with a 1080p display and the UI scale feels pretty perfect to me.

[antic604]

Can I confirm, what is the main issues here, that the Reason product has a old school GUI and does not work well with a large screen 4K TV or computer monitor? Do if you don't use a large screen 4k you should be fine?

If you're using "large 4K screen", say a 40'' then you should be (more than) fine.

The problem is with small size, high resolution displays like laptops or small computer monitors.

[Psuper]

Both can't be true, they're essentially the same, and native always wins:

1. A 4k monitor scaled to 200% means that your 4k screen is showing images at 1920 x 1080.

2. A 1080p monitor, at its native value is showing images at 1920 x 1080.

The 1080p screen wins in quality, period. Native > scaled > custom resolution.

We can't get to agreement on this, because what you're saying isn't true. 4K screen with 200% scaling and properly coded DAW (Live, Bitwig, Studio One) will display screen elements at the size they would be on a 1080p screen, but with 4x more detail (e.g. thinner borders, rounder corners, finer detail icons, less-aliased diagonal lines, etc.).

That's why I'm saying 4K scaled 200% > native 1080p (using the right DAW, not Reason!), because the former is much, much sharper even though everything's the same size.

What I've stated is 100% true there is no argument to be made about it. However you're making a completely different argument about image quality assets that are designed at higher 4k resolutions which I'll address:

Assets designed at higher resolution (a 4k Image) will ALWAYS look better at its native resolution in 4k (which is what I said earlier about about watching a movie in 4k).

A 4k image (image taken at 3840x2160), quality goes: Native, Scaled, custom - same thing but in reverse when talking about how it will look on a smaller resolution screen.

That 4k image has double the information that a 1080p screen cannot display. So when you scale a 4k image in a 4k screen, more of that native image information can be displayed. Its the equivalent of compression when you put a high DPI image on a low DPI screen.

So with the image side of the argument you are 100% correct, however since my example was based on Reason in 4k perhaps there was some misunderstanding on both our parts.

However very few applications are designed with 4k bitmap assets ( I don't even know if those programs you're talking about have native 4k assets, I'm just going by what you're saying). Even ones like Reason where the bitmaps are lower resolution, look absolutely stunning and easy on the eyes with tons of room on a 40"+ 4k monitor.

Typical 'computing' environment however, where you're using vectors, fonts, etc, there will be a significant boost to the quality of a native 1080p 17" screen than a 17" 4k scaled to 200% screen.