What DAW Do You Hate?

[machinesworking]

Because if you're using a computer and a midi controller to make music, it's pretty much classified as EDM. I don't make the rules, it's just a blanket term everyone is familiar with.

I’m down with the “E” and the “M”. But not really the “D”. I don’t subscribe to Psuper’s assertion that its mostly songwriters (or usually to any of his other assertions). But I’m not sure I like the assumption that anything electronic automatically means that its meant for Dance. If EDM is a catch all term, maybe we should have a better one? Not picking on you, but this has bothered me for a while.

It's bothered you because the term is being misused. I don't think it's going to have the extra meaning eventually that say the word 'producer' has now, I think it's just going to continue to be misused, the same way they're, their and there get misused but will never be interchangable.

[rewrite history]

EDM = Electronic Dance Music, popular music intended for dancing. A vast majority of bedroom producers are doing some sort of EDM, but a lot are doing modern Jazz, experimental, ambient, industrial etc. etc. all categories that are not EDM. EDM is a real genre, it's not just what people call bedroom producers.

Your second paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. My main DAW is Digital Performer, and the vast majority of users are industry professionals doing soundtrack music, commercials, etc. etc. Just like everyone else they have a swath of ideas they kick around that eventually become a song, or get shelved.

This part in particular.

Most songs start simply in the mind, then from mind to hand, then to paper.

Yeah, that's not how it works most of the time, everyone I've ever known who makes music, either professionally or as a dedicated hobby mostly starts a song by an idea that comes from messing around. It helps to have a framework, but hardly anybody I know thinks out an idea in their head and then makes a song at any rate more than a rare occasion.

Not saying some aren't good at improvising, but even that isn't a thought out idea that they then later commit to paper. Personally I can think of only a handful of times I had ideas that came that way.

EDM is now a gigantic umbrella, the biggest genre in modern history. The general public has deemed the term as the all encompassing genre of anything electronically created. Do a quick search for yourself and you'll find hundreds of "EDM" genres. I think a new one was just created as I'm typing this.

Professional singer/songwriters are working with deadlines, which doesn't allow for much noodling around. They have projects to start, create and finish. Opposite of what a DAW does for the typical hobbyist that noodles around with incomplete songs for years.

[machinesworking]

EDM is now a gigantic umbrella, the biggest genre in modern history. The general public has deemed the term as the all encompassing genre of anything electronically created. Do a quick search for yourself and you'll find hundreds of "EDM" genres. I think a new one was just created as I'm typing this.

You can't double down on your nonsensical claim, I mean I suppose you can? but it's not helping. The quickest search, Google is on my side. The freaking dictionary is on my side. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Professional singer/songwriters are working with deadlines, which doesn't allow for much noodling around. They have projects to start, create and finish. Opposite of what a DAW does for the typical hobbyist that noodles around with incomplete songs for years.

None of what you wrote here has anything to do with the creative process, and how it works. Professionals often start a song by throwing out years and years worth of "noodling around" into a DAW, on a guitar, keys whatever. Improvising to find a part that works for a scene in a movie for instance; youtube is filled with creatives showing ideas they toss out to start over from scratch, and all on a deadline.

You've sold yourself on some serious BS beliefs.

[vurt]

i do not do edm
im 45 not 14.

[donkey tugger]

i do not do edm
im 45 not 14.

I do Egregious Donkey Music.

[dupont]

Reaper is for men, others are for pussies.
I watched 3 youtube tutorials this morning on Ableton live, 3 were done by women.

Note that I like reaper and women too

[vurt]

Reaper is for men, others are for pussies.
I watched 3 youtube tutorials this morning on Ableton live, 3 were done by women.

Note that I like reaper and women too

im sure the feeling is mutual

[jancivil]

EDM is now a gigantic umbrella, the biggest genre in modern history. The general public has deemed the term as the all encompassing genre of anything electronically created. Do a quick search for yourself and you'll find hundreds of "EDM" genres. I think a new one was just created as I'm typing this.

Utter garbage. You don't seem to understand what a definition is. The D in the middle of that construction stands for dance, for a beginning. One pretty much has to suppose you wanting this 'umbrella' to spread over anything done on a computer via a DAW and soft instruments indicates a dire lack of experience of other music in the world. Also a total failure of basic reasoning, the term applying to every thing just thru 'hundreds of subgenres' and 'it's all done on a computer' is a clear non-sequitur. Which, BTW means 'it doesn't follow'. Who knows why one would wish to stretch a definition to where it can't have an actual meaning. Maybe you ARE 14, who knows. STFU, tho, anyway. "Do a quick search for yourself" - someone who can't reason any better than this should refrain from condescension at the least.

[chk071]

I watched 3 youtube tutorials this morning on Ableton live, 3 were done by women.

Doesn't surprise me at all. I'm sure the actual userbase consist of 90% plus men, and they're always desperate to make a "discrimination is bad mkay" statement these days.

[Deep Purple]

Is the gender of the person in the video relevant in some way that affects the sounds produced?

[vurt]

wider hips = weaker bass
obvs...

[Hink]

wider hips = weaker bass
obvs...

not true, weebles wobble but they dont fall down

[vurt]

bass not base you ase..

[Hink]

ase, I see what you did there, but fish dont have hips

[vurt]

then how come their trousers dont fall down all the time?